Is God an Atheist?

ChristineM · Feb 19, 2021

Primordial Light said:
The term Atheist was defined by an Agnostic.
You might quote my whole comment.
Otherwise, you appear dishonest.

Knowing you and your hostility, I could quote "Jesus Wept" and you'd argue with that.
All fun to me though.

The term atheist derives from the greek A {without} and Theos {god} how you know the term was derived by an agnostic seems wishful thinking to me.

Ehm, i did quote your complete post #2 so you are once again flouting RF rules to make yourself feel better. For your information, i have no god to lie for so i am not dishonest

Moi, hostile???
I would ask you, do you have falsifiable evidence that jesus wept or are you saying it on faith?

Primordial Light · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
if god is pantheistic and omnipresent, then obviously god is an atheist.

you don't believe in pantheism?

or

john 10:36

It's a moot question anyway since God is not pantheistic:

pan•the•ism păn′thē-ĭz″əm►n.

A doctrine identifying the Deity with the universe and its phenomena..
Belief in and worship of all gods.
The worship of all the gods

Reminds me of "vain janglings" in I Timothy 1:6

There is no God beside me - Isaiah 45:5

Revoltingest · Feb 19, 2021

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Primordial Light · Feb 19, 2021

ChristineM said:
The term atheist derives from the greek A {without} and Theos {god} how you know the term was derived by an agnostic seems wishful thinking to me.

Ehm, i did quote your complete post #2 so you are once again flouting RF rules to make yourself feel better. For your information, i have no god to lie for so i am not dishonest

Moi, hostile???
I would ask you, do you have falsifiable evidence that jesus wept or are you saying it on faith?

By the Two Witnesses.

Fool · Feb 19, 2021

Primordial Light said:
Your question was about God, not atheists or theists.
There is no such thing as an atheist anyway, they would have to admit they have ALL KNOWLEDGE. which no mortal has.
Just a lot of agnostics - mortals without divine knowledge.

believers and unbelievers fall in the same catergory. gnosticism is a different story. a gnostic knows. case in point:

john 4:22

Fool · Feb 19, 2021

Primordial Light said:
It's a moot question anyway since God is not pantheistic:

pan•the•ism păn′thē-ĭz″əm►n.

A doctrine identifying the Deity with the universe and its phenomena..

Belief in and worship of all gods.

The worship of all the gods

Reminds me of "vain janglings" in I Timothy 1:6

There is no God beside me - Isaiah 45:5

but the bible doesn't claim exnihilo anwhere. it does claim god exists in the created.

jeremiah 23:24. so god creates from something

there is nothing but god there is no otherness of any kind. that would put on par with your dualistic god.

god is not double spirited

john 15:5

isaiah 45:5

the spirit of god dwells within its begotten, created, because of the ineffable name. exodus 3:14

Nakosis · Feb 19, 2021

There's no need to believe in atheists. Not too hard to find one, walk up to them and shake their hand.

God, on the other hand...

lukethethird · Feb 19, 2021

Primordial Light said:
No - God does not believe in Atheists.

Does God believe in a higher power?

Nakosis · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
If god is pantheistic, is god an atheist too?

God has to be an atheist.
God doesn't need to have a belief in God.
Since I'd assume God is all-knowing, belief is only necessary when you don't know about something.

stvdv · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
If god is pantheistic, is god an atheist too?

I learned to never "put" God on the left side of the "=" sign, as it would limit God

So, instead of saying "God = Atheist" it's better to say "Atheist = God", and that is what some Advaitists teach "all is God"; Atheists not excluded

dybmh · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
but the bible doesn't claim exnihilo anwhere

Bara from Gen 1:1 implies something-from-nothing

Definitions of Creative Words

The most accessible explanation comes from R. Aryeh Kaplan (OBM)

Yerda · Feb 19, 2021

Revoltingest said:
=== Reminder to all ===
It is against the rules to state what the temperament of another poster is.
Let's be careful, folks. Stick to the issues.

Or...instead of encouraging peace we could show them how to riot?

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
If god is pantheistic, is god an atheist too?

An atheist?

You're saying [his] self-confidence is shot?

The ultimate identity crisis?

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2021

dybmh said:
Bara from Gen 1:1 implies something-from-nothing

Definitions of Creative Words

The most accessible explanation comes from R. Aryeh Kaplan (OBM)

I don't see how God could create something from a genuine nothing if God existed.

And if [he] existed then [he]'d be somewhere and sometime in some version of spacetime as well.

So the materials at [his] disposal would be [him]self and the continuum of dimensions in which [he] existed, and I guess [he]'d have a chair, a desk, a coffee-maker and so on.

dybmh · Feb 19, 2021

blü 2 said:
I don't see how God could create something from a genuine nothing if God existed.

And if [he] existed then [he]'d be somewhere and sometime in some version of spacetime as well.

So the materials at [his] disposal would be [him]self and the continuum of dimensions in which [he] existed, and I guess [he]'d have a chair, a desk, a coffee-maker and so on.

That's one way of looking at it.

OTOH, it could be that the entire Genesis story is happening in God's mind, and this specific 'nothingness' is before God chose to begin creating. Kind of like pre-epiphany?

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2021

dybmh said:
That's one way of looking at it.

OTOH, it could be that the entire Genesis story is happening in God's mind, and this specific 'nothingness' is before God chose to begin creating. Kind of like pre-epiphany?

I wonder if the specific nothingness is the bit where God's supposed to go?

Nah, that can't be right ....

Earthtank · Feb 19, 2021

Fool said:
If god is pantheistic, is god an atheist too?

This is the perfect example of when philosophy and asking questions goes too far and just becomes utter stupidity

MonkeyFire · Feb 19, 2021

God doesn’t have to help you if He knows you want to cheat love with dis-belief, specifically God Himself, burn those atheist. Say good bye to the problem of evil.

lukethethird · Feb 19, 2021

MonkeyFire said:
God doesn’t have to help you if He knows you want to cheat love with dis-belief, specifically God Himself, burn those atheist. Say good bye to the problem of evil.

Burning people is evil. You can't see that?

Evangelicalhumanist · Feb 19, 2021

Primordial Light said:
No - God does not believe in Atheists.

What an absurd statement! If God is omniscient, believing is not something He has to do -- He already knows.

And if he already knows that there are no atheists, and since it turns out that there actually are (I'm one), then God is WRONG.

And if God can be that wrong about something so simple, why on earth would anybody suppose He's God?

Is God an Atheist?

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.

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