McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
So here’s the short answer: We don’t know yet.
Can vaccinated people still spread COVID-19? Here’s what we know.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Can vaccinated people still spread COVID-19?
- Thread starter McBell
- Start date
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Let's hope the Sensibles significantly outnumber the Rash. One can only hope.
Last edited:
Always a good idea to take precautions at least untill there is an answer.
exchemist
Veteran Member
A really good and informative article. Thanks for posting this.
So the provisional message, until we get more data, is that once vaccinated we should still observe the precautions, in case we can still be asymptomatic carriers. However when we are with others that have been vaccinated we can do what we like. That's useful to know.
What the article does not say is that, once all the groups vulnerable to severe disease have been vaccinated, society may choose to tolerate a background level of infection, since it will no longer lead to explosive growth and overload of our medical services.
That has its drawbacks, as if we fail to stamp this out we will get more and more variations evolving, eventually leading to some that require a new vaccine to control them. But the economic imperative may lead societies to make that compromise.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Absolutely.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
all people that have had corona virus previously, or are vaccinated against it, are in fact likely to be infected when they come into contact with the virus again.
It is in effect a race between their immune systems being sufficiently primed to kill of the virus before it can develop a sufficient load, to either become a full blown reinfection, or to be sufficient to pass on to others.
This is of course true of all virus infections.
However if virtually everyone is protected by vaccination. the chances of finding someone to pass it on to becomes statistically insignificant.
The corona virus has become especially contagious, so until the vaccination program is near complete. it will make sense for everyone to minimise contacts with people that they have not been associating with in a bubble.
This situation will probably be ongoing for at least a year after the program is complete.
Thereafter one can expect a number of infections among unprotected people, leading to some annual deaths, but probably on a similar scale to Flue or Measles.
The best outcome would be for the vaccination and protection to be so effective that no one ever builds up a dangerous virus load. The more likely outcome is that only very few people will become reinfected in that way, or able to pass on the virus and reinfect others.
It is in effect a race between their immune systems being sufficiently primed to kill of the virus before it can develop a sufficient load, to either become a full blown reinfection, or to be sufficient to pass on to others.
This is of course true of all virus infections.
However if virtually everyone is protected by vaccination. the chances of finding someone to pass it on to becomes statistically insignificant.
The corona virus has become especially contagious, so until the vaccination program is near complete. it will make sense for everyone to minimise contacts with people that they have not been associating with in a bubble.
This situation will probably be ongoing for at least a year after the program is complete.
Thereafter one can expect a number of infections among unprotected people, leading to some annual deaths, but probably on a similar scale to Flue or Measles.
The best outcome would be for the vaccination and protection to be so effective that no one ever builds up a dangerous virus load. The more likely outcome is that only very few people will become reinfected in that way, or able to pass on the virus and reinfect others.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
I think you're describing herd immunity.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Yes
We may not have a choice given that I've heard about two new variants in the virus in the last few days.
I think we can live with another 'cold' or 'flu' especially if the vaccine coverage for new variants keeps up.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I have heard of new strains in Ohio, Michigan, UK, California....
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Do you think people are going to the ER prematurely?
When I went to get my ultrasound the nurse said if I had "any" symptom of covid they'd transfer me to a larger hospital without verifying that's what I had in this analogy. So people are going to the ERs and called cases before they time out ones who actually have the condition.
Then, on the other hand, some people are scared to go to the ER and die if say a heart attack but they brush that aside.
It's a catch 22
Last edited:
exchemist
Veteran Member
And the more of this disease remains, the more opportunity there will be for further mutations and new strains to develop. It's basic evolution theory. So one of the advantages of vaccinating as widely as possible (and that means all over the world, by the way, not just in our own countries) is to reduce the rate at which new strains emerge.
exchemist
Veteran Member
You seem to be muddling several things up here. Hospitals quite rightly want to segregate those patients with possible covid 19 who are attending hospital for any reason, whether it be serious or trivial, planned or unplanned. If they don't do that, these people just infect everyone else, including the staff.
You seem to be confusing that policy with people who are so ill with Covid 19 that they need emergency hospital treatment for it.
The two are quite unrelated.
As for people avoiding hospital when they need urgent treatment for other conditions (heart attack, stroke etc), for fear either of catching the virus or of being a burden to a hospital that is already overloaded, that is a real issue and the British NHS has been urging people not to be put off. So they most certainly do not brush that aside, in the UK at least.
There is no catch 22 here.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
No that is quite different.
That relies on sufficient people having had it to break the chain to those that have not.
it does not rely on vaccination at all.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Incorrect. Immunity results either from vaccination or previous infection.
See the Wiki article:
Herd immunity - Wikipedia
Last edited:
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
That is one interpretation of herd immunity. But it relies on a lot of people having had Covid
The herd immunity tried in Sweeden just relies on sufficient numbers catching it and becoming immune... this has failed.
This is what the press and public generally mean by herd immunity. A slow build up of immunity by attrition.
The description in Wiki. is the way all systems of immunity eventually spread through out a population. but never have been proved to work with out major death rates. or an effective vaccination.
Such as was found to happen in the various plagues throughout history.
Populations entirely imploded before they stabilised. especially when there was no natural immunity. as with many native races when exposed to European diseases.
We have no natural immunity to covid.... the main problem and why the need for vaccination.
exchemist
Veteran Member
One way to achieve herd immunity is by vaccinating a proportion of the population large enough to bring R below 1.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Yes. Mass vaccination helps to achieve herd immunity, while minimising the number of deaths and pressure on hospitals.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I don't think so. She said if people had symptoms, they couldn't treat them. So, they write it up as a COVID case and send it to the other hospital. She was very hesitant about how the hospital did their policies. I notice some nurses don't seem to agree with some things but they do their job.
Yeah. When I went to the ER almost recently because I couldn't walk at all all of the sudden (been going on for awhile) and told the nurse that I didn't know whether to come or not because I know other people (COVID or not) need this bed more than me. She couldn't tell me either way but didn't want to discourage me from going to the ER. It's trying to balance ethics and what's more serious at the moment. With me, unless the virus is going to make me have two heads or so, I'll go to the hospital if it's an emergency. I think US is divided on a lot of that, though. I've only been a patient at ERs really.
https://www.startribune.com/scared-...g-sicker-by-avoiding-hospital-care/571267152/ April saw a 42% decline in emergency department use nationally. That amounts to 900,000 fewer visits per week compared with the same time period a year ago, according to a study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.