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Why Trump Appeals to So Many Americans, IMO
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Augustus
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(hispanic, black, women et al):
Now add the COVID recession to Trump
The GFC is in Obama's calculation after all.
This is the problem about cherry-picking such stats to show how good a President is. If we do then we'd have to say Obama term one was a terrible president because of the GFC, yet T2 Obama was a fiscal genius and that Trump has underperformed fiscal genius T2 Obama and slowed down the growth in the US economy.
PureX
Veteran Member
Not a mirror image at all. The democrats aren't deliberately playing on fear, prejudice, and division just to win elections.
PureX
Veteran Member
I don't loathe anyone. I'm just pointing out what's happened. It's not a secret. The republican party is the party of the rich. They can't win elections based on their agenda. So they have to stir up ignorance, and fear, and bigotry in people and focus it on their opponents to get people that aren't rich to vote for them (and against the other guys). And it's worked really well, except that it's also turned people against each other, and against their own government in the process. But the republicans just can't stop, because they fear they can't win elections any other way.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Selfishness and self-centeredness are symptoms. Narcissism is the cause. The self-centered narcissist spends little time thinking about others, which explains his lack of empathy, which explains his callous disregard for mistreating others.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Nonsense. I judge Trump supporters on their behavior. The same way you and everybody else judge other people.
That's not my perception. However, we can't debate perceptions. It would be surprising if both of us weren't biased in our perceptions.
I'd reconsider that claim. You do have a whole lotta
disdain for capitalists, conservatives, & Republicans.
So many screeds demonizing them...it sure looks like
loathing. I suggest finding some common ground with
them occasionally. Befriend a couple of them.
If I can like commies, you can like capitalists.
Do you ever ask any MAGA friends about
their goals, values, fears, & desires?
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Those are interesting articles. I've never read them before.
However, narcissism (arrogance) is a root cause. Both those articles deal with common symptoms of it. For example, the highly arrogant father would be an authoritarian figure, demanding strict obedience, from his children. Both articles cite high respect for authority as a common trait of Trump's followers.
Most people, I think, respect authority but only when the leader is of high character. We don't respect tyrants, for example.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
I live with one of them. And I read their comments on the web.
Perfect....same question.
I gave you information.Now add the COVID recession to Trump
The GFC is in Obama's calculation after all.
This is the problem about cherry-picking such stats to show how good a President is. If we do then we'd have to say Obama term one was a terrible president because of the GFC, yet T2 Obama was a fiscal genius and that Trump has underperformed fiscal genius T2 Obama and slowed down the growth in the US economy.
How you interpret it can be different if you so choose. But that, IMV, has to do with your political position.
Audie
Veteran Member
Which is essentially what they say
with comparable truth about the
the Daemoncrats.
You somehow don't get it that the
whole " turn against" has worked so well
on you.
Augustus
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100 million very diverse people with endless different motivations that you are judging on mass media representation and minimal personal experience?
We'll agree to disagree that this constitutes a rigorous basis for such a generalisation rather than superficial prejudice and confirmation bias.
You really think it is quite rare for US liberals to feel morally superior to MAGAs? That is your conclusion from the past 4 years?
I've seen nothing but threads here describing MAGAs as stupid, racist fools who get duped by right-wing media and only vote for Trump due to some moral failing, delusion or mental deficiency. Add to that endless media stories, social media posts, etc. doing likewise. No idea the %, but it's not exactly a token amount.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You misread that chart. It actually shows Obama out performing Trump, if read properly. It also is missing the effects of the Corona virus. That is a must if you want to measure growth as you are.
Augustus
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Not everyone insists on being a fanboy for one of 2 abysmal US political parties you know.
It has to do with being not obviously cherry-picking your stats to parrot an ideological narrative by 'stopping the count' on the eve of a historic recession and pretending it didn't actually happen.
Given both Presidents were badly impacted by recessions outwith their control, what makes you think the 'booms' were actually the results of their actions?
joe1776
Well-Known Member
I realize from your comment that we're talking about two different things.
Let's recognize that some people ARE morally superior to others. For example, there's nothing at all wrong with feeling morally superior to a serial killer. But we go wrong when we think we are superior to him in human worth.
I think we liberal-progressive ARE morally superior to MAGAS because our behavior is superior. This happens because MOST (not all) progressives treat others as equal in human worth. When we don't, when we just talk a good game, we can be just as arrogant as the conservatives who want to keep this unfair world that favors them just as it is.
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No... I don't think so.
Corona virus would have affected any administration and there is no graph that included 2020 since it just ended.
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The question for me is: are these their reasons or their rationalizations?
They sound real to me.
When you offer opinions, are they real or rationalizations?
I discern sincerity in y'all.