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Will this impeachment further divide the country?

The impeachment

  • will further the political divide within the country

    Votes: 8 36.4%
  • will help heal the political divide within the country

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • a Senate trial will further the political divide

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • a Senate trial will not further the political divide

    Votes: 10 45.5%
  • a court trial will further the political divide

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • a court trial will help heal the political divide

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • pass the peace pipe

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • there can be no peace

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Total voters
    22

ecco

Veteran Member
Therefore this impeachment is seen as nothing more than a political stunt by the Democrasts futher alieanting the majority of those who voted for Trump.
Who cares if Trump supporters are further alienated? I sure don't.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The "sheep" and the "goats" are choosing sides now.

and both of them "baaaa". I wonder if each side thinks the other is the goat when, in reality, there are goats on both sides as well as sheep.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You did not ask me but you probably include me so I'm answering.

Trump embodies every one of the Seven Deadly Sins

Vainglory/Pride

Trump’s ego drives him. He has been consistently inconsistent when it comes to policy ideas, but his commitment to Donald Trump is absolute.

...
Wrath

When Trump’s temper flares, he is his own worst enemy....


Sloth

A President Rubio or Romney probably could have gotten a health care bill passed. Trump didn’t do the necessary work. Despite claiming that he has very little time to watch TV, aides say he is constantly fixated on cable news programs (and he often tweets responses to Fox & Friends in real time)....

Gluttony or the Lack of Self Control

It’s no secret that Trump loves KFC, well-done steak with ketchup and “beautiful" chocolate cake for those occasions when he’s bombing Syria. But Trump’s main sin in this realm is his inability to control his impulses....

Lust

From his Playboy past to Howard Stern interviews boasting that he would date his daughter if she weren’t a relative...

Envy

Trump’s Twitter tantrums expose a jealousy for his rivals and a constant attempt to measure up to them. He is obsessed with the fact that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.
This is the basis for being a Republican? And bringing unity?

Or, I just don't follow what you are trying to say.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The right has never been about common ground when it has power. Then it's all about power and division.
Ohhh... so the left are saints that has never forgotten about common ground when it had power.

Did I tell you that I own the Brooklyn bridge and I want you to buy it?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Right now we have a very wide division in the country.
This is amplified by all media using the idea that "if it bleeds, it leads".
Actually, until the 6th, the "mainstream media" was not leading with any bleeding. They were reporting on the right-wing nutjobs, led by the likes of Giuliani and Powell, screaming about election fraud. They were reporting on the failed BS lawsuits. They were reporting on Trump and company's continued lies about election fraud. They were reporting on the court cases that found that Trump's allegations were lies.

On the sixth, they did show bleeding. Bleeding caused by an angry mob of white supremacists, conspiracy nut-jobs, and Trump Sheeples. Note, those terms are not mutually exclusive. Many Trump Sheeples are also white supremacists, conspiracy nut-jobs. Should the MSM have instead shown General Hospital or a zoo's Panda Cam?
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Not if he is convicted of this:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
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Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Source: 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

The impeachment charge is incitement of insurrection.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I merely want him out of politics.
..
but removing the political threat to our country of Trump is more important to me
Trump will not be removed from being a political threat.

Mr. Donald Trump will continue to lead his base. His base will continue to swallow every lie he tells. The Office of the Presidency did not deter him very much, but the members of his inner circle and his cabinet probably kept a lid on his most outrageous actions. Citizen Donald Trump will have no holds barred.

Whoever he chooses as his successor (my money is on Ivanka) Donald will be there, propping her up with unabashed lies about everything.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
That was the most bipartisan vote for impeachment the US has ever had.
So maybe some unity may result from this after all.
The impeachment vote for Nixon was 412 to 3. So this vote was no where close to being the most bipartisan impeachment vote of the US.

Also... no Democrats voted against impeachment of Trump in addition to there being less than 5% of the Republican representatives to vote for impeachment of Trump. It's a partisan vote.

The House tends to be far more partisan than the Senate. The members are in constant campaign mode due to their two year terms. They cannot afford to take the long term view. So ten Republicans crossing the line is very significant.

10 representatives is less than 5% of the Republican party. You really think this is significant for the House?
Fact-check: How many bipartisan bills has Congress passed?
Sean Theriault, a government professor at the University of Texas, said her use of the term bipartisan is fair.
It’s certainly not telling the whole truth, but a single vote from the other side does indicate that it enjoys support from both parties,” he said in an email. “So, of course, we would prefer Escobar to say, ’275 bills that have received at least support from one Republican are sitting on McConnell’s desk,′ but calling them ‘bipartisan’ is not wrong.”​
There were 251 bills that passed the House with a majority of both parties.
If I understand you correctly, then we should compare to the Senate. How likely do you think it is that Trump is convicted in the Senate? Do you think more than 5% of Republican Senators will vote to convict? Do you think any Democrat Senators will vote to acquit? I think it is unlikely.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
I think it would make news like it did with Seattle.

I mean anybody left or right storming the Capitol would make the news. How couldn't it?

Thing I'd be asking if the left would condone and support such a thing as they did as with Seattle among others.
LoL! There would be special interest stories from inside the mob in the capitol if the Left occupied it for like 3 months like Portland. Pelosi would claim she "donated" her office to be used!
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I think that also cuts both ways for the good. There are representatives from both sides that are able to work bipartisan.
Too few. (Except when it's about the military or corporate welfare.)
Politics (and not only US) has more and more become a power play.
E.g. Merrick Garland. McConnell prevented his hearing in the Senate "because he could". It was a declared goal of the republicans to undermine every effort by Obama, no matter the topic. That was the official end of bipartisanship.
The US, and especially the GOP, needs a discussion about values, common values. The conservatives were once a party that held their values up. Today, the majority has given them all up for power.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I don't think so. The very act of impeachment is also done by those who are addicted to political power. How can we determine who is addicted to power and who is doing it out of a sincere heart?
DUH!
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I am all for that!!!!!

Following the rule of law is the very foundation of a Republic.
And yet you supported and furthered lies and conspiracy theories about the election.

You even poo-hood the results of court cases stating "Just wait until the Supreme Court hears it".
 
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