WhoIsBeast 750
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As I said before, I am not familiar with the Qur'an, so maybe one of my Baha'i friends can help me out.
Please note that Baha'u'llah did nit say it was in the Qur'an.
beautifully twisting the Qur'an then you will regret it
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Who is the real Imam Mahdi? Is he still to come?
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beautifully twisting the Qur'an then you will regret it
InvestigateTruth
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Yes, correct. In Reality Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah can be said are both the Mahdi and Christ.
However according to Hadithes, there are two Persons, separate from each other. First Mahdi comes, and Christ prays behind Him. By praying behind Him, is meant, Christ is first a follower of Mahdi.
Mahdi rules for seven years. Then Christ rules for forty years.
In Bahai view, This was fulfilled, because first the Bab claimed to be the Mahdi, and Bahaullah was a follower of the Bab. The Bab revealed verses of God in Seven years. Then after the Bab was Martyred, Baha'u'llah's mission began. He revealed verses of God for forty years, and left this World.
WhoIsBeast 750
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the messiah or mahdi is most misunderstood expression what is unfortunately it is so if people read books they would know who Jesus came to me never said about himself
I'm talking about someone else according to the interpretation (he was the son of God) but as a metaphor) and Jesus called him his father) where the trinity came from
father and son and the spirit of the saints, however, the verse was added by the one who understood it, he wanted to give the truth there, but we will find out at the end when all the scriptures are restored
how to restore? it's all about false miracles basically it's a parable from god it's not really miracles (he described his miracles only as a sign of heaven) that's everything else is just false miracles
interpretation and the sea engulfed Pharaoh (nations engulfed Pharaoh)
and he said to the chrome, and the chrome rose (and then rose up in another book, and his bones were strengthened) yes I speak of the official books. 27
then if he wants to understand everything, study and hopefully find the truth
but did it turn here if you want to know who the mahdi is?
I will say it quite correctly according to the lettering, the only one who was to come is someone who rises over the church (literally) in the books, the things are described
and he opens them in the true sense, and what is it written about? more than 70% of people will die and the rest will stay, don't let yourself be loved that you will go to heaven or be like angels (will you really be like churches?)
and then understand the wind in Christianity and not understanding everything honestly it's a shame for those heap you can't understand it
his name will be (sion) (Z) ion) one of it is basically the name John (therefore it is said that the law comes from Zion) it is not mountain as it speaks it is a parable) what is a mountain? religion? or something similar ? it really is
and here it comes from Jonash that he was in the belly of the fish for three days
or what did Jesus say about Elijah? Elijah is coming and who is Elijah? john is written elsewhere i jan is a candle and vi biste wanted to rejoice in his light (what is light? true?) koran supports it and writes
3:39 And the angels cried unto him as he stood and prayed in the sanctuary, saying, God hath shewed the good tidings of the birth of John, which shall establish the truth of God's word, and shall be Lord;
and the church called to him while he stood and prayed in the sanctuary. God announces to you the good news of the birth of John.
who confirms the truth of the word of God and will be master, and will be restrained, being a prophet and one of the indecisive
talk about the future here don't be fooled because the verses don't follow each other because the book is sealed think about it
and then find out what Kabbalah or meditation or the seven points of the body are and that is from our unjust ancestors
We inherited this from them and as far as the snake is concerned
and said a woman (church) snake cheated on me
chronologically it's parables
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. It will crush your head, and you will crush his heel. "
Genesis 3:16 16 And he said unto the woman, I will greatly multiply thy affliction and sorrow of pregnancy;
Revelation 12: 1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Revelation 12: 2 And the woman was with child, and cried in pain, because her hour was come.
and here the prophecy of the suffering servant of the masses is not understood
I'm talking about someone else according to the interpretation (he was the son of God) but as a metaphor) and Jesus called him his father) where the trinity came from
father and son and the spirit of the saints, however, the verse was added by the one who understood it, he wanted to give the truth there, but we will find out at the end when all the scriptures are restored
how to restore? it's all about false miracles basically it's a parable from god it's not really miracles (he described his miracles only as a sign of heaven) that's everything else is just false miracles
interpretation and the sea engulfed Pharaoh (nations engulfed Pharaoh)
and he said to the chrome, and the chrome rose (and then rose up in another book, and his bones were strengthened) yes I speak of the official books. 27
then if he wants to understand everything, study and hopefully find the truth
but did it turn here if you want to know who the mahdi is?
I will say it quite correctly according to the lettering, the only one who was to come is someone who rises over the church (literally) in the books, the things are described
and he opens them in the true sense, and what is it written about? more than 70% of people will die and the rest will stay, don't let yourself be loved that you will go to heaven or be like angels (will you really be like churches?)
and then understand the wind in Christianity and not understanding everything honestly it's a shame for those heap you can't understand it
his name will be (sion) (Z) ion) one of it is basically the name John (therefore it is said that the law comes from Zion) it is not mountain as it speaks it is a parable) what is a mountain? religion? or something similar ? it really is
and here it comes from Jonash that he was in the belly of the fish for three days
or what did Jesus say about Elijah? Elijah is coming and who is Elijah? john is written elsewhere i jan is a candle and vi biste wanted to rejoice in his light (what is light? true?) koran supports it and writes
3:39 And the angels cried unto him as he stood and prayed in the sanctuary, saying, God hath shewed the good tidings of the birth of John, which shall establish the truth of God's word, and shall be Lord;
and the church called to him while he stood and prayed in the sanctuary. God announces to you the good news of the birth of John.
who confirms the truth of the word of God and will be master, and will be restrained, being a prophet and one of the indecisive
talk about the future here don't be fooled because the verses don't follow each other because the book is sealed think about it
and then find out what Kabbalah or meditation or the seven points of the body are and that is from our unjust ancestors
We inherited this from them and as far as the snake is concerned
and said a woman (church) snake cheated on me
chronologically it's parables
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. It will crush your head, and you will crush his heel. "
Genesis 3:16 16 And he said unto the woman, I will greatly multiply thy affliction and sorrow of pregnancy;
Revelation 12: 1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Revelation 12: 2 And the woman was with child, and cried in pain, because her hour was come.
and here the prophecy of the suffering servant of the masses is not understood
Trailblazer
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I am not so sure I agree that Baha'u'llah was the Mahdi, but I am no expert.
I defer to @ adrian009, @ Tony Bristow-Stagg , or @ loverofhumanity
Trailblazer
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Can you explain why? Is it because they are in Reality one soul and the same Person, as Baha'u'llah wrote?
“The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 50
Trailblazer
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I will have nothing to regret since I admitted my ignorance of the Qur'an.
InvestigateTruth
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Yes, also in Hadithes, the Mahdi appears in Iraq and Israel, and there is a Hadith that Mahdi rules forty years.
WhoIsBeast 750
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yes there is talk about decoding Tory and other books, but where the key is, no one knows: D
so basically if he doesn't open the books no one will know who it is but god
InvestigateTruth
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WhoIsBeast 750
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certainly not his name who opens it is written there long ago
that the owner gives a name to equal the number does not mean that it is his name and where it comes from
and he certainly wasn't who you were talking about
was the book still not open if it was where the book is arranged according to a certain formula? nowhere right? show we have original books right? so keep your lies because the scripture will open at the time of the end and not at the time when the hypocrite says I have a spiritual gift or a prophet here
god said it clearly they will say i'm not a prophet here just a peasant to avoid death when he comes to his false prophecies
Trailblazer
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I believe that opening up the Book refers to a Book that had been sealed.
I believe that this is the time of the end and the Bab and Baha'u'llah unsealed the book.
The "Book" is the Bible that was intended to be sealed up until the time of the end, until the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days came. The 2,300 years came in 1844 and the book was unsealed by the Bab and Baha’u’llah. That math is explained in Some Answered Questions, 10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL
Daniel 12
King James Version
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
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Trailblazer
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paarsurrey
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I also checked before one's post and came to know that it was a non-Bahaism site rather very opposed to it:
The Religion of Bayan
I was however at a loss to understand that our friend @InvestigateTruth was unaware that it was a Babyism site and even then he quoted a page of Kitab-e-Bayan from it which had so many mistakes even in one page.
If one clicks the button "Bahaism" on accessing the site then heading
opens up and then opposing resources about "Bahaism" written by Babyism people spread out. I was not interested so I did not read them. Right, please?
Regards
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paarsurrey
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Who is the real Imam Mahdi? Is he still to come?
I get that the Imam Mahdi- the truthful Successor of Muhammad in the later days to reform Islam and to put them on the truthful path of Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad has come in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908. Right friends, please?
Regards
I get that the Imam Mahdi- the truthful Successor of Muhammad in the later days to reform Islam and to put them on the truthful path of Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad has come in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908. Right friends, please?
Regards
Trailblazer
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No, I do not think that is right. I believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a false prophet, and he was certainly not the truthful Successor of Muhammad who came in the later days to reform Islam. It was the Bab who came to reform Islam.
paarsurrey
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"InvestigateTruth #77 Bahaullah is, the Qaim, the Mahdi, return of Christ, return of Imam hussein."
Regards
Trailblazer
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InvestigateTruth said: In my view, The Bab fulfils these Prophecies in Islam:
The 12th Imam, the Mahdi, the Qaim, the first trumpet.
Bahaullah is, the Qaim, the Mahdi, return of Christ, return of Imam hussein.
So, some prophetic titles are shared by both the Bab and Bahaullah, such as Qaim and Mahdi. But some titles are not shares. Bahaullah is not the 12th Imam as He had to be from lineage of Muhammad. The Bab is not the return of Imam Hussein, as He comes after the 12th Imam and Rules for 40 years.
Trailblazer says: In my view, The Bab fulfils these Prophecies in Islam:
The 12th Imam, the Mahdi, the Qaim, the first trumpet.
Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ and the Messiah referred to in the OT, and the Messiah of all the religions, also referred to as The Promise of All Ages..
Prophecies from World Religion and other sources
Prophecy Fulfilled Webpage
paarsurrey
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soulsurvivor " Jesus died in Kashmir? How do you know? There are more than one billion of his followers in this world who don't believe this nonsense."
Jesus did not die on the Cross, he was delivered from it in neardead position but very much alive:
Right, please?
Regards
CG Didymus
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From your link to SAQ...
Afterward, in verse 11, it is said: “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolation be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” 7
8 After three years it was announced. And Bahá’u’lláh, in the year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muḥammad, caused His manifestation to be known. 9
You're still doing it. And this makes sense to you? The verse says 1290 days from the daily sacrifice is taken away and the abomination set up? How does Abdul Baha' make the 1290 days/lunar years start with the proclamation of Muhammad?8 After three years it was announced. And Bahá’u’lláh, in the year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muḥammad, caused His manifestation to be known. 9