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Scholarship v. the "guidance of the holy spirit"

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rational experiences

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Memory what we all use.

We have a memory that quotes. As a human. Came out eternal spirit. Went back in. Human self uses quotes this memory. Spirit.

Then we own a memory that quotes God natural history changed by brother as scientist Satanist.

Gave us death.

What we all know. Living proof today. God spirits same natural evolution spatial history. Same gases own stone presence.

Ask what changed natural spatial owned creation? Science caused it. Reactive conversion changed the natural body God. Our planet.

Being attacked now owns by science causes early age death our exact proof today. Yes we did come from spirit. Yes our brother by science changed our spirit.

Yes we did get irradiated converted given death. Yet as we are conscious thinking we say we don't die. We go to sleep.

The body dies. Image of evil. Self human life form body in decay. After conscious self sleeps. Imaged feedback. In your head real. Seen by cause.

We psychically were forced to see it because of early age death.

Memory tells us. Only our brother as a group remained manifested. In life a long time ago. Daylight would not allow him back into spirit.

A fact.

Theoried removal of mass. Allowed form to magically disappear. He was innocent. Mountain peak. Pyramid theme.

Status. Pyramid time shifting by theory sun machine. Meaning nuclear reactor. I saw a vision with brother telling family to stand inside pyramid.

Partial historic vision in modern life returned due to cooling. Atmosphere body mass allowed the recording to reappear.

If mountain mass disappeared and you stood inside pyramid. Theory would be your own guaranteed body disappearance. If you stood inside.

Why the theory was pyramid.

We did not go back to spirit. We were cell body sacrificed instead. Remained incarnate life cell converted instead.

The real story. Why did spirit release us. What did spirit do wrong. Our inherited question.

Why did our brother theory satanism. Nuclear converting. His original motivation spiritual.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
URAVIP2ME said:
Yes, oh puhleeze, my sister-in law was told by someone she knew as to why he left the seminary.
Since the only time Jesus ' passed the place', so to speak, was to feed the crowds.
Jesus taught for free, and so did his followers, No collection plate$, No paid clergy.
- Matthew 10:8 B - ALL are volunteers workers.
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Here is a link to Asbury Theological Seminaries required classes for a Masters of Theology. You'll notice there are many many classes on Bible, classes on Theology, classes on Church History, classes on Greek. I don't see any classes on how to run a profitable church.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
If you speak of the Ancient Testament, you do have a point.
But as for the Gospels, they are written in a very simple language...that anybody can understand.
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I dont understand this comment. Which part of the OP speaks about the language of the Bible? Please elaborate what I missed.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Skywalker said:
Since the New Testament documents are referenced by other writers by about A.D. 100
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Can you show me a single reference to the epistle of Barnabas? Do you even know it was in the earliest New Testament?

Why dont people like you who are quick to cut and paste of a favourite website so eagerly unable to answer a single question with validity?

Its already strange that you responded with your irrelevant cut and paste to an irrelevant post about the language, not the historicity. Is it that you have found a website called carm or whatever and now you are cutting and pasting every single page on that website no matter what the topic is, no matter what the comment you are replying to is?

I am honestly expecting your usual cut and paste to this post as well. And it probably will not address the topic of my comment, but an irrelevant one. Too many times, in most irrelevant posts you have done this where I am starting to believe you are promoting a website.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Scott C. said:
In my Church the leaders are not formally trained theologians. They also are not a paid clergy (with the exception of relatively few leaders at the top who were asked to leave their professions and be full time church leaders.) The result is that the leaders in the higest position in my Church know what they know about the theology based on personal study and Church participation, and not formal theological training. But since these leaders came from the professional world, the are generally highly educated and stong believers in science, logic and reason. There is a strong principle in our church that we need to combine intelligence, reason, study and "guidance from the Spirit". The President of our Church, who I consider to be quite inspired and guided by the Spirit, was a heart surgeon before being asked to join the Twelve Apostles as a life long calling. As a trained surgeon (actually a pioneer in open heart surgery), he of course followed the science on a daily basis. But as a man of faith who follows the Spirit, he tells the story of how he was once confronted with a life and death surgical decision. He had no intellectual idea on what to do to save this person. Then, the Spirit of God actually revealed to his mind, and showed him in his mind, the exact steps to take to solve the problem. He says he would never have come up with this idea on his own. His first counselor in the Presidency of the Church is an attorney and was serving on the State of Utah Supreme Court before being asked to join the Twelve Apostles as a life long calling. There are a few in my Church who go to theological schools for their PhD. These are not necessarily called to be leaders. Some teach religion or philospohy in universities and write religious books. They make a living this way. The way my Church is organized it takes tremendous talent and intellectual capacity to run it at the top. I believe the leaders are chosen by inspiration to leave their professions. They have a unique and strong combination of intellectual skills combined with deep faith and the ability to be guided by the Spirit.
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With that level of interaction with the Hagoui Pneumati, can you ask this gentleman to ask and do tell us who wrote the book of Hebrews? Please.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
Well...I asked the OP what she exactly meant by this thread...so...
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Anyway, maybe as a side point, since you spoke of both languages of the OT and NT, the OT was probably originally written in the ancient Hebrew script, but we have no indication it could run that far behind. Maybe, maybe not. Nevertheless if we speak from the language we find it in today, the masoretic text is not much different in the "difficulty" in comparison to the New Testament Koine Greek. The language of the Tanakh is a living language, but the Koine Greek is a dead language. Thus, it maybe more difficult.

Thus, its not so easy to say that the New Testament is written in easy language.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
firedragon said:
Thus, its not so easy to say that the New Testament is written in easy language.
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Yes...it is. I studied Ancient Greek and the Septuagint is the most pleasant and translatable Greek text I have ever read.
Compare it to Demosthenes or Plato.
;)
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
Because Christians in particular claim to be "led by the holy spirit."
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Many do literally expect this which must be addressed in coming years, the sooner the better; but it can't be addressed instantaneously. Nor can Christians stop being Christian, nor can ships bend. I appreciate your pointing out the problem, because it needs calling out, sometimes. I realize by doing so you risk Christians pointing fingers, so thank you.

Jayhawker Soule said:
And you find no hint of this among Jews? Why the focus?
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Maybe it is a prophetic impulse? Anyways Jewish folks have plenty of criticism directed towards themselves, so they can spare a little.
 
Audie

Audie

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firedragon said:
See, I have never seen writing "garbage" though I have seen some graffiti near the dump. Maybe you could show how.
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I should know better than to have said anything, but please desist from taking further notice of my posts.
 
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Skywalker

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firedragon said:
Can you show me a single reference to the epistle of Barnabas? Do you even know it was in the earliest New Testament?

Why dont people like you who are quick to cut and paste of a favourite website so eagerly unable to answer a single question with validity?

Its already strange that you responded with your irrelevant cut and paste to an irrelevant post about the language, not the historicity. Is it that you have found a website called carm or whatever and now you are cutting and pasting every single page on that website no matter what the topic is, no matter what the comment you are replying to is?

I am honestly expecting your usual cut and paste to this post as well. And it probably will not address the topic of my comment, but an irrelevant one. Too many times, in most irrelevant posts you have done this where I am starting to believe you are promoting a website.
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The Gospel of Barnabas says that Jesus didn't die on the cross. It was not written early like the New Testament, and with eyewitnesses. Barnabas didn't write it because it was written 1400 years after his time. It has historical and doctrinal errors.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
The Gospel of Barnabas says that Jesus didn't die on the cross. It was not written early like the New Testament, and with eyewitnesses. Barnabas didn't write it because it was written 1400 years after his time. It has historical and doctrinal errors.
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I didn’t say Gospel of Barnabas.
 
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