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What is your best evidence for a god?

Brookhousek

Brookhousek

Member
Michael Allen said:
For me it is the prophecies in the bible, nature is a great testament to God's existence alone, but it wasn't enough for me. One such prophecy is in Daniel the 8th chapter where Daniel is given a vision of a two horned ram and a male goat with a conspicuous horn between its eye's, which was broken and 4 stood up in its place. Starting in verse 20 of Daniel chapter 8, an angel explains what the vision stood for. Ram two horns = kings of Media and Persia, male goat conspicuous horn = king of Greece. Conspicuous horn broken 4 kingdoms come up in place. According to history Daniel lived 620 - 538 BCE he was carried off captive in Babylon (Assyrians) 605 BCE. Two horned ram ( Medes and Persians ) conquered Babylon 539 BCE Daniel was still alive but quite old to see the fulfillment of this part. Next---king of Greece male goat Alexander the Great 336BCE-323BCE He dies at an early age and 4 of his Generals take a part of the kingdom ( Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, Seleucus) Daniel had now been dead for a little over two centuries! How could he have known all the details unless it had been told him by a much higher intelligence? Isaiah 46:10... the one telling the from the beginning the outcome... there are numerous prophecies like this that have that wow factor in them that have convinced me. Thankyou for the respectful inquiry
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The problem with prophecy is how the details are interpreted. Also, one has to decide how reliable the bible scriptures are. Are there no errors as some believe? Others claim some sections aren’t literal, but then provide no criteria for how to make the decision for how to determine what is literal. Jesus was professed to descend from the line of David. Joseph is part of this line, but according the nativity story Joseph had no part in the conception.
 
MNoBody

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
Because it bears marks of manufacturing.



Because it doesn't bear any signs of manufacturing and instead, all the signs of evolution - a known, observed, explained and demonstrated natural process which literally results in natural design.
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so, dead inanimate matter produces living beings..... just because, for no reason to no purpose or end, just because....
something out of nothing....man, atheists have more faith than the religious .
 
DKH

DKH

Member
Brookhousek said:
Sadly, this seems very true.
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Are you suggesting that parents who don't believe in God, don't teach (brainwash) their children that there is no God? Or, do they just allow their children to make decisions without any guidance at all?
 
Eyes to See

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Brookhousek said:
Wow. That was a lot of bible quotes. I still feel no more convinced based on some words that are written in a book? If I pick up a copy of Harry Potter I know it is a contemporary fiction. How do I know that the bible is more reliable?
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I gave you one key feature of the Bible that shows evidence of divine origin, accurate and reliable prophecy. Of course the Bible is a big book, and it would take a lot of time to delve into it all. The one that God will raise up witnesses for him in the last days to preach about the kingdom government that will solve all mankind's problems is visible evidence we can see with our eyes, today.

The Bible has other key features of being of divine origin, and of a God who is very interested in humankind, and in everyone as individuals. It would take investigation, and study to appreciate all of these facts. Surely it is worth your investigation.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101997030
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Brookhousek said:
How do you know you are created in the image of a god? Is your reasoning because it what you have been told or do you have personal evidence?
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because love is what god is. its an action, not a fixed form.

romans 1:19-20 tells you that. 1 corinthians 13:12 tells you that.

1 john 4:8 tells you that. i am the image of that action. god is a verb 1st and a thing 2nd


john 3:16 tells you that god loves the begotten, the whole. genesis 1 tells you that god created and each time called it good.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Brookhousek said:
I personally don’t feel I have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god and I am genuinely interested to discuss what has convinced people that there is such a being.
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God convinced those people by meeting them in person.

Any question more ? :)
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
chinu said:
God convinced those people by meeting them in person.
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The problem here is that at least most of the people who claim to have encountered a god must be wrong because they contradict each other. Why should we think some minority have genuinely encountered a god and why does said god allow all the other people to be mistaken?
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Brookhousek said:
These are all lovely experiences- I completely agree. However, my original question was about not having sufficient evidence. I am not sure how sitting under a tree would give me sufficient reason to think there is a god.
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Then you aren't doing it right. Be mindful, Be still, Be quiet. Be.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
ratiocinator said:
The problem here is that at least most of the people who claim to have encountered a god must be wrong because they contradict each other. Why should we think some minority have genuinely encountered a god and why does said god allow all the other people to be mistaken?
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First, nobody can encounter God. Its God who decide -- whom to meet in person, or NOT.

Second, if you really interested in meeting/merge with God -- you need to make your own application/request, nobody can represent you. Hence, don't worry for people who contradict with each other. Important is -- are you a bonafide intending person ?

Third.. perhaps you may be, but, I don't think at this time you qualify to make this meeting application to God. :)
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
nPeace said:
@Milton Platt I'm signing off, so I will just post this now.

I assume you have seen a circuit board
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This is a circuit board.

Would you say the circuit board was not designed, and has no designer?
Absurd right.

Let's suppose you never saw a circuit board in your life, would you conclude there is no way of knowing how it got like that. Perhaps you need more evidence it was designed?
How do we know it was designed?

sn-allenbrain.png

This, they say, represents the connections in the brain... of a mouse.
It's incomplete.
They say these connections between brain cells, are about 200 from a mouse’s visual cortex, out of 1,300.
A tiny mouse.
mouse.png


Oh, they are looking at spending 7.75 million to map every circuit in the brain, but not to get side tracked, that's a different story.

Moving though, to the human body...
Why would you say the brain is not designed?
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would you say the mind of God is more or less complex than the mind of that mouse?

ciao

- viole
 
Michael Allen

Michael Allen

New Member
If you didn't want some honest detail, why didn't you just say so from the start. The prophecy I quoted, go ahead try to interpret another way the prophecy is proven by our written history and lets not forget Daniel was dead over 2 centuries before the historical fact unfolded. Even Stephen Hawkins stated "its not that I don't believe in GOD I just haven't been presented with facts that do so". So rather than waste anymore time, I place the burden on you to prove with facts that God doesn't exist. Remember, facts not feelings.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
chinu said:
Hence, don't worry for people who contradict with each other.
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This is the only sentence in your reply that has any relevance at all to what I said. Why should I not worry about this, it speaks directly to the veracity of people's experience when they say that they have met with a god (regardless of whether they or the supposed god instigated the encounter)?
 
MNoBody

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
chinu said:
First, nobody can encounter God. Its God who decide -- whom to meet in person, or NOT.

Second, if you really interested in meeting/merge with God -- you need to make your own application/request, nobody can represent you. Hence, don't worry for people who contradict with each other. Important is -- are you a bonafide intending person ?

Third.. perhaps you may be, but, I don't think at this time you qualify to make this meeting application to God. :)
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no man[body] has seen god face to face, the body is not included in the equation.
no body, no matter, nothing to mind.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
ratiocinator said:
This is the only sentence in your reply that has any relevance at all to what I said. Why should I not worry about this, it speaks directly to the veracity of people's experience when they say that they have met with a god (regardless of whether they or the supposed god instigated the encounter)?
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Go and fight with people. You want fight, NOT God. Thank you :)
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
ratiocinator said:
I can't fight a series of contradictory myths and, in any case, I'm not trying to fight anybody, I'm questioning the reliability of your claim that "God convinced those people by meeting them in person".
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Then go and fight with God. Its NOT those people's mistake that God accepted their application and met them. :)
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
chinu said:
Then go and fight with God.
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As I said, I can't fight a whole collection of contradictory myths.

chinu said:
Its NOT those people's mistake that God accepted their application and met them. :)
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Right back to the start: at least most of the people who claim this has happened to them must be wrong (for some reason; mistake, delusion, deception, dishonesty, or somthing) because they contradict each other.
 
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