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Will RF allow God to post in all DIR's ?

lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Ancient Soul said:
No, the discussion was about atheists who have no idea on how the "world" works. And they demand that what little they know is all that everyone should ever know.
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Perhaps I might make my point more bluntly, since we seem to be talking past each other. I'm an atheist. You're entitled to whatever opinion you wish to hold about how the world works. So am I. So are all the other people with various views.

A difference between their view and yours doesn't make them ignorant. And a difference between their views and your doesn't mean they are demanding anything. Keep your beliefs. Just don't expect me to agree when you start saying what 'atheists' are. It's a nonsense. There are lots of us and we have very little in common.

It's akin to me trying, in a single sentence, to state what theists are. I can say they're great, I can say they're ignorant, I can say they're hopeful, I can say they're fatalistic.

It doesn't matter. Whatever I say is wrong.
 
Ancient Soul

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
lewisnotmiller said:
Perhaps I might make my point more bluntly, since we seem to be talking past each other. I'm an atheist. You're entitled to whatever opinion you wish to hold about how the world works. So am I. So are all the other people with various views.

A difference between their view and yours doesn't make them ignorant. And a difference between their views and your doesn't mean they are demanding anything. Keep your beliefs. Just don't expect me to agree when you start saying what 'atheists' are. It's a nonsense. There are lots of us and we have very little in common.

It's akin to me trying, in a single sentence, to state what theists are. I can say they're great, I can say they're ignorant, I can say they're hopeful, I can say they're fatalistic.

It doesn't matter. Whatever I say is wrong.
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And here is how I see it.

I come here to discuss spiritual matters and yes, sometimes disagreements develop, sometimes even heated disagreements . But that's what happens in forums. I don't mind it because the counter points make me think.

But it's annoying when atheists who have no beliefs go into full rage attack mode and try belittling myself and everyone else who dares mention God, with absolutely nothing to offer other than "You MUST "PHYSICALLY" prove to me that God exists", over, and over, and over... refusing to consider ANYTHING anyone says. (Which everyone knows that God is invisible, so it's impossible to please their demand to begin with.) And on top of that REFUSING to offer counter evidence that God does not exist. Just brutishly trying to beat everyone down with PROVE IT, PROVE IT, PROVE IT... over, and over, and over... never ending... never bringing in anything of merit to the table. As can be seen here with their replies to me, even the refusing to bring in their own "evidence". So I'm sorry, but yes, that does come across as being ignorant.
 
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Ancient Soul said:
And here is how I see it.

I come here to discuss spiritual matters and yes, sometimes disagreements develop, sometimes even heated disagreements . But that's what happens in forums. I don't mind it because the counter points make me think.

But it's annoying when atheists who have no beliefs go into full rage attack mode and try belittling myself and everyone else who dares mention God, with absolutely nothing to offer other than "You MUST "PHYSICALLY" prove to me that God exists", over, and over, and over... refusing to consider ANYTHING anyone says. (Which everyone knows that God is invisible, so it's impossible to please their demand to begin with.) And on top of that REFUSING to offer counter evidence that God does not exist. Just brutishly trying to beat everyone down with PROVE IT, PROVE IT, PROVE IT... over, and over, and over... never ending... never bringing in anything of merit to the table. As can be seen here with their replies to me, even the refusing to bring in their own "evidence". So I'm sorry, but yes, that does come across as being ignorant.
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You don't talk to many atheists,do you?
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Ancient Soul said:
And here is how I see it.

I come here to discuss spiritual matters and yes, sometimes disagreements develop, sometimes even heated disagreements . But that's what happens in forums. I don't mind it because the counter points make me think.

But it's annoying when atheists who have no beliefs go into full rage attack mode and try belittling myself and everyone else who dares mention God, with absolutely nothing to offer other than "You MUST "PHYSICALLY" prove to me that God exists", over, and over, and over... refusing to consider ANYTHING anyone says. (Which everyone knows that God is invisible, so it's impossible to please their demand to begin with.) And on top of that REFUSING to offer counter evidence that God does not exist. Just brutishly trying to beat everyone down with PROVE IT, PROVE IT, PROVE IT... over, and over, and over... never ending... never bringing in anything of merit to the table. As can be seen here with their replies to me, even the refusing to bring in their own "evidence". So I'm sorry, but yes, that does come across as being ignorant.
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You can feel free to rail at any atheists you wish to, within forum rules.
But generalising your issues with some atheists to all atheists is riduculous. I have issues with plenty of atheists and call them out on the specifics of those issues. I also have issues with some theists, and call them out on those issues.
I avoid generalising from 'some' to 'all', not because I'm trying to be nice, but because it's simply inaccurate and self-delusional.

If you feel like I've made demands without bringing anything to the table, or you seem me treating theists as a group unfairly, I'd hope you'd let me know. But I do get twitchy when people talk negatively about 'atheists' as if we're some coherant group. I'd be similarly twitchy if someone said 'Australians are racists'. Some are, sure. You could even say Australia has more racists than other countries. But at some point it just becomes an over-generalisation, and adds nothing to discussions.
 
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lewisnotmiller said:
I think what happens sometimes is people's main exposure to people they know for certain are atheists is over the internet. And that can colour things.
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True. I noticed most of the complaints from many theists are about atheists they meet online. Interestingly enough, many atheists who talk against theists do so cause they known them in person. So, there's a bit imbalance when it comes to believing one justification for complaint over another. People we know vs strangers we don't.
 
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JustGeorge

JustGeorge

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lewisnotmiller said:
I think what happens sometimes is people's main exposure to people they know for certain are atheists is over the internet. And that can colour things.
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Actually, I wish I'd have met internet atheists first. My main exposure to atheists has been through two local groups(one was declared atheist, the other was not). I found both groups to be very unpleasant. (I actually only recently got the internet.)

Internet atheists are much more varied in their personal conduct than the individuals in those two groups were.
 
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Ancient Soul said:
Unfortunately WAY more than I would like to on these forums. I usually try to ignore them.
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That would mean just the atheists you spoken to not atheists as a whole?

Since one doesn't need to be atheist to challenge theists to provide physical evidence of god, are you sure it's those people's actual behavior you dislike or just that they are atheists who said it?
 
Ancient Soul

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
lewisnotmiller said:
You can feel free to rail at any atheists you wish to, within forum rules.
But generalising your issues with some atheists to all atheists is riduculous. I have issues with plenty of atheists and call them out on the specifics of those issues. I also have issues with some theists, and call them out on those issues.
I avoid generalising from 'some' to 'all', not because I'm trying to be nice, but because it's simply inaccurate and self-delusional.

If you feel like I've made demands without bringing anything to the table, or you seem me treating theists as a group unfairly, I'd hope you'd let me know. But I do get twitchy when people talk negatively about 'atheists' as if we're some coherant group. I'd be similarly twitchy if someone said 'Australians are racists'. Some are, sure. You could even say Australia has more racists than other countries. But at some point it just becomes an over-generalisation, and adds nothing to discussions.
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Well, I've been on Internet forums for some 20 years give or take, and what I stated is my stance on ALL of them. Sorry again, but I have never encountered even ONE atheist who didn't do what I previously stated. I cannot change that, nor how they act. Anyone can go back on this thread and see that they all pretty much acted just like I stated.
 
Ancient Soul

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Unveiled Artist said:
That would mean just the atheists you spoken to not atheists as a whole?

Since one doesn't need to be atheist to challenge theists to provide physical evidence of god, are you sure it's those people's actual behavior you dislike or just that they are atheists who said it?
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Please go back on this thread and read my comments on this subject, you will get a better understanding then.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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JustGeorge said:
Actually, I wish I'd have met internet atheists first. My main exposure to atheists has been through two local groups(one was declared atheist, the other was not). I found both groups to be very unpleasant. (I actually only recently got the internet.)

Internet atheists are much more varied in their personal conduct than the individuals in those two groups were.
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Groups might be the issue.
Atheists don't have too much in common due to atheism.
Any atheists forming groups are doing so for reasons greater than mere atheism.
This could be good reasons...like humanist based charity work. It could be bad reasons, like fluffing each others...errrr...pillows. and convincing themselves they're so much smarter than the other mammals around them.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Ancient Soul said:
Well, I've been on Internet forums for some 20 years give or take, and what I stated is my stance on ALL of them. Sorry again, but I have never encountered even ONE atheist who didn't do what I previously stated. I cannot change that, nor how they act. Anyone can go back on this thread and see that they all pretty much acted just like I stated.
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Well, I'm an atheist, and I don't do what you suggested. I'm also Australian, and the rate of atheism here (Australia) is higher than some other places, so meeting atheists is kinda just...meh...
It's like saying blondes are stupid. You might get by if the jokes funny, but no one thinks it's serious. Almost no-one.
Good, bad, social justice warriors, etc. They're all out there.

I've met plenty of theists who are...well...let's just say they struggle with Matthew 7:3-5

But some of my closest friends are theists. I judge people as they come, as much as I can. Not prejudge based on a label.

Ultimately, you can do whatever you like. Not here to tell you how to live.
But...as an atheist...I'm not about to let some comment about 'all atheists' go without note.

As I said, and in my own defence, I do the same where I see over generalisation about 'all theists'.

It's not much, but it seems right to me.
 
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chinu said:
Yes they can, of course.
I believe, God will NOT mind this at all.
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Which one? I never heard of abrahamic god saying he can't do what he wants. God follow the rules? If it's not his, what benefit would he gain to follow them. In abrahamic terms, he'd have to give up his god title to do so.
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

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Unveiled Artist said:
Which one? I never heard of abrahamic god saying he can't do what he wants. God follow the rules? If it's not his, what benefit would he gain to follow them. In abrahamic terms, he'd have to give up his god title to do so.
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I think God has to follow the same rules as everyone else...the laws of science. However, in my view, God is the only one who really understands them. I think its possible that God is the laws of science, even. Who said the workings of the universe had to be insentient? Us humans, as bright as we like to think we are, only understand a tiny portion of how things work, and even less about the nature of them. God could probably ignore RF rules, though. Technically, so could we. Its just whether or not we want to deal with the consequences... Whether a consequence would be given to God would be up to RF staff. (I could totally see them doing it.)

I'm not sure how the Abrahamic god ever got elevated to 'the one and only'. I see him as just another deity among millions of others... Just because he says he's the only one, doesn't mean he is. I could travel to another neighborhood and tell people I'm the only person living on my block. Perhaps I can share some convincing stories as proof, as well. Doesn't make it true.

But these are, of course, my opinions. You may disagree with me if you like.
 
Ancient Soul

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Ancient Soul said:
Well, I've been on Internet forums for some 20 years give or take, and what I stated is my stance on ALL of them. Sorry again, but I have never encountered even ONE atheist who didn't do what I previously stated. I cannot change that, nor how they act. Anyone can go back on this thread and see that they all pretty much acted just like I stated.
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lewisnotmiller said:
Well, I'm an atheist, and I don't do what you suggested. I'm also Australian, and the rate of atheism here (Australia) is higher than some other places, so meeting atheists is kinda just...meh...
It's like saying blondes are stupid. You might get by if the jokes funny, but no one thinks it's serious. Almost no-one.
Good, bad, social justice warriors, etc. They're all out there.

I've met plenty of theists who are...well...let's just say they struggle with Matthew 7:3-5

But some of my closest friends are theists. I judge people as they come, as much as I can. Not prejudge based on a label.

Ultimately, you can do whatever you like. Not here to tell you how to live.
But...as an atheist...I'm not about to let some comment about 'all atheists' go without note.

As I said, and in my own defence, I do the same where I see over generalisation about 'all theists'.

It's not much, but it seems right to me.
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I only deal in facts that I know to be true. And ALL of my experiences with atheists are just as I've stated or worse. I have every right to discuss this. When, if, I ever meet one or more atheists who don't act as I've previously outlined, I will change my beliefs about SOME of them. Until that ever happens I will maintain my stance on ALL atheists. Same as if EVERY Christian you ever met came up and punched you in the face for being an atheist.

I can be fair, but I need a good reason to do so.
 
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