lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Maybe they go together.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Turning to G-d does not stall progress of science. Does it ?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
- Start date
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Why not?
No it was not presented to Jesus. The teachings of Jesus were for the times and culture of his Revelation, and not complete and relevant to today.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
The story about Newton comes from HISTORY, which is not a science. In Newton's own writings he states that the orbits he couldn't explain were the 'unknowable hand of god' and thus could never be figured out. Leplay proved him to be wrong 100 years later.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes, that's right.
It is perfectly possible to be a religious believer and do good science, and there is no reason in principle why religious belief should impede science. BUT, it is crucial that religious belief is excluded from scientific hypotheses and theories. Religious scientists have no difficulty with that.
ecco
Veteran Member
No! You made the claim that: atheists have claimed: "If there is no spirit then there cannot be any spirituality".
Therefore it is your responsibility to back up your assertions.
ecco
Veteran Member
Wrong again.
Some aspects of religion, and perhaps some aspects of philosophy, are concerned with achieving an understanding of mythical entities. Science certainly is not.
In any case, can you state some religious knowledge?
ecco
Veteran Member
It's a good thing that other people ignored Newton's acquiescence to his religious beliefs.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
[2:256]اَللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَۚ اَلۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ۬ۚ لَا تَاۡخُذُہٗ سِنَۃٌ وَّ لَا نَوۡمٌ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَشۡفَعُ عِنۡدَہٗۤ اِلَّا بِاِذۡنِہٖ ؕ یَعۡلَمُ مَا بَیۡنَ اَیۡدِیۡہِمۡ وَ مَا خَلۡفَہُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا یُحِیۡطُوۡنَ بِشَیۡءٍ مِّنۡ عِلۡمِہٖۤ اِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَ ۚ وَسِعَ کُرۡسِیُّہُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ ۚ وَ لَا یَـُٔوۡدُہٗ حِفۡظُہُمَا ۚ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَلِیُّ الۡعَظِیۡمُ ﴿۲۵۶﴾
Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah
Right, please?
Regards
ecco
Veteran Member
So, your answer is that you cannot state some religious knowledge. All you can do is preach.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Last edited:
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
What do you mean?
The world will still work the same way. There would still be gravity, nuclear reactions in the sun, etc.
Science is the search for how the universe works, it is not the actual laws themselves. The universe would be the same even if we didn't have science, just the same way that there would still be weather even if we didn't have meteorology.
If you mean human society would be the same if we never studied science, then no. We wouldn't have the internet, for one thing. The differences that scientific advances have provided for us are numerous and obvious.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Things like EVP, eye witness accounts/sightings, photograph, etc.
It's there, however, the real question lies in the quality. This is where the ability to evaluate evidence comes in.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
EVP is nonsense. It's people hearing whatever they want in static. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and photographs can easily be faked and/or misinterpreted. Just look at the Solway Firth spaceman photo, for example.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Nevertheless, it is the evidence presented, with courts putting a high value on eyewitness accounts despite the problems with that form of evidence.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Even if we allow eyewitness accounts and photographs, EVP is still laughable.
Depends what you mean by "great religions", Ahmadiyya teaches homeopathy1. Here is an Ahmadi website attacking the view that humans evolved from apes2 3,
In 2015 Ahmadis were urged to take out kids from school and send them to mosques in protest of the 2015 HPE Curriculum for sex education, Mirza Masroor Ahmad says being gay is a curable illness and that eating pork causes homosexuality4
1 Alislam View -
2 Evolution | Claims of the Promised Messiah
3 https://www.alislam.org/topics/quran/QURANIC CONCEPT OF EVOLUTION.pdf
4
ecco
Veteran Member
As I said, you cannot give any example of any religious knowledge you have.