Question for all jehovah's witnesses on here

In 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 it says we can be absent from our bodies.And in verse 9 it says some people are already absent and with the lord.That reminded me of Ecclesiastes 12:7.Also when it says you can be absent from the body.Like in 2 Corinthians 5:6-9.The words absent from the body reminded of 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.This is why I need a study group to talk about this.Do you know any groups on face book that talk about this kind of stuff?Because I am already a member of face book.

Besides Facebook you can always check Mewee; They have a Jehovah witness group as well. JW website has a lot of information and you might be able to locate a convention in your area.

Frank Goad said:

In 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 it says we can be absent from our bodies.And in verse 9 it says some people are already absent and with the lord.

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Frank, Paul is talking about his fellow “elect”....these are the “chosen ones” who will go to heaven in rulership positions. These ones will be “kings and priests” and will rule with Christ for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:6) Kings need subjects and priests need sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties......The Christian scriptures that talk of life in heaven are written by, and for, those of Christ’s elect....they are not for those who will be their subjects on earth. (Revelation 21:1-4)

That reminded me of Ecclesiastes 12:7.Also when it says you can be absent from the body.

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That is not what Ecclesiastes 12:7 says at all. When a human dies, his body returns to the dust, but the spirit (the breath of life, not to be confused with the soul) returns to God because only God can recreate a person and restore the breath of life.

“Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit* returns to the true God who gave it.“

You must read scripture with understanding, not with indoctrination.

Like in 2 Corinthians 5:6-9.The words absent from the body reminded of 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.

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“So we are always of good courage and know that while we have our home in the body, we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we are walking by faith, not by sight. 8 But we are of good courage and would prefer to be absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord. 9 So whether at home with him or absent from him, we make it our aim to be acceptable to him.”

When you understand that Paul was addressing his fellow rulers, he was simply saying that whilst they walked about in the flesh, they could not go to heaven. God has to give them spiritual bodies in order to exist in the spirit realm. They were anointed for life in heaven, giving them a strong desire to be with Jesus there. They had no idea of how long it would be until that happened. Paul said that they would all sleep in death until Christ’s return. Then they would be resurrected with spiritual bodies, not bodies of flesh.

Not sure how that correlates to 2 Corinthians 12:2-4?

It doesn’t mean that we will all go heaven. That was never God’s original purpose. He put us here on earth.

This is why I need a study group to talk about this.Do you know any groups on face book that talk about this kind of stuff?Because I am already a member of face book.

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You know that JW’s will give you a private home Bible study with no obligation?......you can ask all the questions you like. You can’t make informed decisions without all the information. So make sure you have all the answers and weigh them up against the scriptures. It all has to come from there.

Alternatively, you can ask us here.....we are happy to help anyone who wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

Deeje said:

Frank, Paul is talking about his fellow “elect”....these are the “chosen ones” who will go to heaven in rulership positions. These ones will be “kings and priests” and will rule with Christ for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:6) Kings need subjects and priests need sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties......The Christian scriptures that talk of life in heaven are written by, and for, those of Christ’s elect....they are not for those who will be their subjects on earth. (Revelation 21:1-4)



That is not what Ecclesiastes 12:7 says at all. When a human dies, his body returns to the dust, but the spirit (the breath of life, not to be confused with the soul) returns to God because only God can recreate a person and restore the breath of life.

“Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit* returns to the true God who gave it.“

You must read scripture with understanding, not with indoctrination.



“So we are always of good courage and know that while we have our home in the body, we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we are walking by faith, not by sight. 8 But we are of good courage and would prefer to be absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord. 9 So whether at home with him or absent from him, we make it our aim to be acceptable to him.”

When you understand that Paul was addressing his fellow rulers, he was simply saying that whilst they walked about in the flesh, they could not go to heaven. God has to give them spiritual bodies in order to exist in the spirit realm. They were anointed for life in heaven, giving them a strong desire to be with Jesus there. They had no idea of how long it would be until that happened. Paul said that they would all sleep in death until Christ’s return. Then they would be resurrected with spiritual bodies, not bodies of flesh.

Not sure how that correlates to 2 Corinthians 12:2-4?

It doesn’t mean that we will all go heaven. That was never God’s original purpose. He put us here on earth.



You know that JW’s will give you a private home Bible study with no obligation?......you can ask all the questions you like. You can’t make informed decisions without all the information. So make sure you have all the answers and weigh them up against the scriptures. It all has to come from there.

Alternatively, you can ask us here.....we are happy to help anyone who wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

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A human male should ask self when standing on the physical body of a planet, mass as stone......what he thought about the physical presence, natural named as Holy Dust?

When he was already alive, living after the physical existence of Holy dust was still holy dust?

And his own true answer would be...I thought about how Holy Dust was created by history O mass and also radiation from the Sun...so I thought about how I could remove the presence Holy Dust, for then it would also remove my presence.

What comparison is, by a bio physical male life, living and being conscious...when referring any information to MASS and God the planet upon which he lives and stands....as a self contradiction to his own survival.

^^What Deeje wrote.^^

Frank Goad said:

In 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 it says we can be absent from our bodies.And in verse 9 it says some people are already absent and with the lord.That reminded me of Ecclesiastes 12:7.Also when it says you can be absent from the body.Like in 2 Corinthians 5:6-9.The words absent from the body reminded of 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.This is why I need a study group to talk about this.Do you know any groups on face book that talk about this kind of stuff?Because I am already a member of face book.

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Facebook! What?!

Grief.

Go to the Kingdom Hall, for crying out loud.
Or look the number up in a phone book, and leave your name and number with whoever picks up....someone will contact you.

You don’t have any obligation to become a Witness! It’s free.

I’m not going to respond to your posts anymore, until you do that.

rational experiences said:

A human male should ask self when standing on the physical body of a planet, mass as stone......what he thought about the physical presence, natural named as Holy Dust?

When he was already alive, living after the physical existence of Holy dust was still holy dust?

And his own true answer would be...I thought about how Holy Dust was created by history O mass and also radiation from the Sun...so I thought about how I could remove the presence Holy Dust, for then it would also remove my presence.

What comparison is, by a bio physical male life, living and being conscious...when referring any information to MASS and God the planet upon which he lives and stands....as a self contradiction to his own survival.

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I’m sorry, but I didn’t understand a thing you said. What on earth is Holy dust?

We apparently do not speak the same language....

Hockeycowboy said:

^^What Deeje wrote.^^


Facebook! What?!

Grief.

Go to the Kingdom Hall, for crying out loud.
Or look the number up in a phone book, and leave your name and number with whoever picks up....someone will contact you.

You don’t have any obligation to become a Witness! It’s free.

I’m not going to respond to your posts anymore, until you do that.

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Males in science, after they were irradiated by the effect UFO mass that came to Earth for scientific God stone conversion, that Holy dust reacting on the ground was how God created their life.

In science which is a male living on the body of a O God stone planet using machines said, in actuality when a nuclear chemical dust ground reaction was caused, it changed my life.

Now I prove as an irradiated human brain mind, that using words after you have been irradiated in natural living conditions, does not allow the mind brain to speak the word usage as it did before.

So if a male reading Biblical science literature said, I believe in every word said in the bible he would not be telling any truth. For you had to read the words and then determine by the self reading those words what you believe it is saying.

As an irradiated brain/life cell sacrificed event.

So males factually said that in the past a nuclear chemical Holy Dust ground reaction affected my breathing. For to know breath or breathing, I had to have already been breathing, had it taken from me...then had it given back after the reaction had stopped.

Why I know, I endured radiation fall out, could not breathe correctly and then had it given back.

For these stories are human experience, and no matter what argument a human wants to argue about...a living human has to be living first to tell stories.

And if it wants to tell stories about conditions and states when that human self life mind and body did not exist its own self...then it can, but it does not make those stories factual or actual.

Reasoning in reality, if a human is looking back to make science quotes....to that mind they wanted to change natural evolution history and forcibly alter it with a machine reaction, why we said science was evil.

What does https://www.jw.org/en/ say about 2 Corinthians 5:6-9?

Deeje said:

Frank, Paul is talking about his fellow “elect”....these are the “chosen ones” who will go to heaven in rulership positions. These ones will be “kings and priests” and will rule with Christ for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:6) Kings need subjects and priests need sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties......The Christian scriptures that talk of life in heaven are written by, and for, those of Christ’s elect....they are not for those who will be their subjects on earth. (Revelation 21:1-4)



That is not what Ecclesiastes 12:7 says at all. When a human dies, his body returns to the dust, but the spirit (the breath of life, not to be confused with the soul) returns to God because only God can recreate a person and restore the breath of life.

“Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit* returns to the true God who gave it.“

You must read scripture with understanding, not with indoctrination.



“So we are always of good courage and know that while we have our home in the body, we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we are walking by faith, not by sight. 8 But we are of good courage and would prefer to be absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord. 9 So whether at home with him or absent from him, we make it our aim to be acceptable to him.”

When you understand that Paul was addressing his fellow rulers, he was simply saying that whilst they walked about in the flesh, they could not go to heaven. God has to give them spiritual bodies in order to exist in the spirit realm. They were anointed for life in heaven, giving them a strong desire to be with Jesus there. They had no idea of how long it would be until that happened. Paul said that they would all sleep in death until Christ’s return. Then they would be resurrected with spiritual bodies, not bodies of flesh.

Not sure how that correlates to 2 Corinthians 12:2-4?

It doesn’t mean that we will all go heaven. That was never God’s original purpose. He put us here on earth.



You know that JW’s will give you a private home Bible study with no obligation?......you can ask all the questions you like. You can’t make informed decisions without all the information. So make sure you have all the answers and weigh them up against the scriptures. It all has to come from there.

Alternatively, you can ask us here.....we are happy to help anyone who wants to know what the Bible really teaches.

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Can you reply to the post on top of this one?

Frank Goad said:

Can you reply to the post on top of this one?

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https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995167?q=2+Cor+5:6-9&p=par