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I did not state this. You misread my words.And you stating that we cannot blame god for being a poor communicator
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I did not state this. You misread my words.And you stating that we cannot blame god for being a poor communicator
Simple Equation #1.
God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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Simple Equation #2
God = Good
Father = Good
Father = God
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
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Closing verses
Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Jesus was asking a rhetorical question in Mark 19:17. A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question which is asked to make a point rather than elicit an answer. The point Jesus was making is that He is God because He is good. The fact that Jesus is good and the perfect, sinless One who alone was able to pay for the sins of the world is verified throughout the NT.
As stated in 1 Peter 2:22, in reference to Jesus Christ... He who committed no sin and no deceit was found in His mouth.
Jesus did not follow up with a statement concerning His question about His own goodness because the obvious answer was that He was GOOD and He spent His time going about doing good, healing people and instructing people in truth. The only statement He made was to declare that only God is good. Since Jesus is clearly good and only God is good, Jesus is therefore God.I looked up the definition of a rhetorical question. If Jesus was asking a rhetorical question then he would not have followed up with a statement.
rhetorical question - Dictionary Definition
a statement that is formulated as a question but that is not supposed to be answered.
When something is rhetorical that means it is made for style or effect, likewise a rhetorical question is a question that is asked for mere effect, rather than a question that needs to be answered. Questions like “Who knew?” or “Who's better than me?” are often rhetorical.
According to the definition of a rhetorical question, the following are not rhetorical questions. I see a question followed up with a statement or clarity: not a question standalone
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Jesus did not follow up with a statement concerning His question about His own goodness because the obvious answer was that He was GOOD and He spent His time going about doing good, healing people and instructing people in truth. The only statement He made was to declare that only God is good. Since Jesus is clearly good and only God is good, Jesus is therefore God.
What you call equations here, are better known in logic as syllogisms. A syllogism is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true. There are 19 valid forms, which combined with true premises produce a sound argument. Your first "equation" is one such sound argument :Simple Equation #2
God = Good
Father = Good
Father = God
For Heavens Sake you are the one that brought the Gospel of John into this equation.
Jesus said he is not God.
The Author of The Gospel of John saw Jesus
The Author of The Gospel of John said no man hath seen God.
Jesus said he is not God and John does not contradict him unless you actively find ways to interpret and contradict otherwise.
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whether you agree or disagree i provided reference below.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Simple Equation #1.
God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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Simple Equation #2
God = Good
Father = Good
Father = God
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
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Closing verses
Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
The fact that Jesus is good and the perfect, sinless One who alone was able to pay for the sins of the world is verified throughout the NT.
He who committed no sin and no deceit was found in His mouth.
Jesus did not follow up with a statement concerning His question about His own goodness because the obvious answer was that He was GOOD and He spent His time going about doing good, healing people and instructing people in truth. The only statement He made was to declare that only God is good. Since Jesus is clearly good and only God is good, Jesus is therefore God.
What you call equations here, are better known in logic as syllogisms. A syllogism is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true. There are 19 valid forms, which combined with true premises produce a sound argument. Your first "equation" is one such sound argument :
God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God
In traditional form his would be stated as
God is Good
No Jesus is Good
_______________
No Jesus is God
For reasons not pertinent to this post, this particular form of syllogism is named Camestres, which in logic is stated as
All M are P
No S are P
_____________
No S are M
Unfortunately, your second "equation"
is not sound, because the conclusion "Father = god" doesn't logically follow. The form of your argumentGod = Good
Father = Good
Father = God
All M are P
All S are P
__________
All S are M
is invalid. To see why, simply substitute different terms
All Butter is Yellow............... ("is" and "are" are interchangeable depending on the number in the statement)
All School buses are Yellow
______________________
All School buses are Butter
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Just so you're aware, preaching on Religious Forums is against the rules (#8), and can have consequences if done repeatedly.Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
There can be no greater honour and glory than saying oneself is God. Seems someone else came in there own name saying they are God in which you received?
From someone from the outside looking in that would seem like a logical assessment. However that is for a reason. A deceiving god of this world is mentioned. I don't claim to know everything but I do suspect I have a strong foundation. Mostly what you are probably seeing are people arguing with the foundation such as Divinity of God and Commandments of God
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I did not state this. You misread my words.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
There can be no greater honour and glory than saying oneself is God. Seems someone else came in there own name saying they are God in which you received?
And I suspect that all those who disagree with you ALSO claim to have a 'strong foundation'. So much so that they can quote just as many scriptures as you can to support their position. CLEARLY if the bible is God's Word, then God has done a VERY poor job of communicating what 'the foundations' are. If god WAS a good communicator then virtually everyone would agree of what those foundations are.
'Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool: for he is holy.' [Psalm 99]
Tell me, lymus, do you think that Jesus Christ is worthy of worship?
Unfortunately this occurs:
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
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Shouldn't the Love or Appreciation of God which consists of his commandments be The Foundation?
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
The Commandments of God is not Grievous which consist of him being one. Do you think the singular pronoun his or the singular digit / number one is a miscommunication.
1 is 100% or 1-in-1 "1/1=1"
Is One God and Father above all so hard to understand?
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Is it hard to understand That the Father is the Originator of Life?
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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Consolidated list of questions asked above:
Shouldn't the Love or Appreciation of God which consists of his commandments be The Foundation?
The Commandments of God is not Grievous which consist of him being One. Do you think the singular pronoun his or the singular digit / number one is a miscommunication?
Is One God and Father above all so hard to understand?
Is it hard to understand That the Father is the Originator and Source of Life?