Wandering Monk
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So you are saying that feelings are utterly unimportant. Interesting...do you have any?
Do you dispute what I said? Or just the way I said it?
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So you are saying that feelings are utterly unimportant. Interesting...do you have any?
What do the genes say ?
I can be a somewhat deplorable person sometimes. But I'm not going to make matters worse, myself, by refusing to agree that someone with gender dysphoria, who took the necessary steps and is now happy, is a different gender.
That's one way to define things. But it has limitations.
We must recognize that gender is more complex than the usual
simple alternatives of XY & XX. There are other genetic variations,
eg, XXY. There are also developmental / environmental complexities.
Does the XX portion make one male, or does the XY portion make one
female? It would be arbitrary to pick one or the other.
Another more functional way to determine gender....
Regardless of genes, if one's brain is female, & one's body is male,
then changing the body to match the brain makes the individual
female. This is to designate gender by phenotype rather than
genotype.
That's one way to define things. But it has limitations.
We must recognize that gender is more complex than the usual
simple alternatives of XY & XX. There are other genetic variations,
eg, XXY. There are also developmental / environmental complexities.
Does the XX portion make one male, or does the XY portion make one
female? It would be arbitrary to pick one or the other.
Another more functional way to determine gender....
Regardless of genes, if one's brain is female, & one's body is male,
then changing the body to match the brain makes the individual
female. This is to designate gender by phenotype rather than
genotype.
I realize there are sometimes difficulties, but if a person does NOT have the exceptional 23rd chromosome, they are genetically male or female.
What if the phenotype is at odds with the genotype?I realize there are sometimes difficulties, but if a person does NOT have the exceptional 23rd chromosome, they are genetically male or female.
You're easily shocked by the predictable.I am so shocked this thread immediately degenerated into sex=gender=chromosomes nonsense.
[sarcasm]This[/sarcasm]You're easily shocked by the predictable.
Odd. What is the reasoning?The Italian Law requires sex reassignment surgery for those who want to have their name changed.
I think it is a right law.
Let's say (hypothethically) a man and a woman are married. Then the man wants to become a woman, but still remains married to his wife.Odd. What is the reasoning?
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...or they could just not make gender at all relevant to marriage clauses or parent clauses, at the US has.Let's say (hypothethically) a man and a woman are married. Then the man wants to become a woman, but still remains married to his wife.
Let's say after the transition, these two people still have sex because the man hasn't undergone surgery...abd they make a child.
How should the baby consider his parents? Two lesbians who made him in a strange way?
I am speaking of precise cases...which happen to be not that rare in the US.
That is why the Italian Law says: want to change Gender legally? Sterilization first
We have universal free healthcare unlike the US so the citizen is relevant for our system....or they could just not make gender at all relevant to marriage clauses or parent clauses, at the US has.
Why would universal healthcare call for tying gender to gonads? Or anything really? Gender is not the same as sex is basic trans rights statements. So why do you need your ID to reflect your dangly bits?We have universal free healthcare unlike the US so the citizen is relevant for our system.
Btw...I am speaking juridically. If a MtF is happy with having a M in her ID, good for her
Why would universal healthcare call for tying gender to gonads? Or anything really? Gender is not the same as sex is basic trans rights statements. So why do you need your ID to reflect your dangly bits?
Even if I accepted that this is necessarily how romantic relationships work (and I don't) what does this have to do with requiring a sex change for an ID change? If we are respecting identity then gonads don't matter.I respect anyone's identities. Deeply.
Nobody can deny though that during intercourse there is a passive part, usually the woman and an active part, the man.
I identify as passive part, that us why I underwent surgery.
And people are free to consider themselves whatever they want
Oh, you mean; The Italian Law requires those who have sex reassignment surgery have their name changed. Is that correct?Let's say (hypothethically) a man and a woman are married. Then the man wants to become a woman, but still remains married to his wife.
Let's say after the transition, these two people still have sex because the man hasn't undergone surgery...abd they make a child.
How should the baby consider his parents? Two lesbians who made him in a strange way?
I am speaking of precise cases...which happen to be not that rare in the US.
That is why the Italian Law says: want to change Gender legally? Sterilization first