It's a form of how the Kingdom of God realized on earth. It is not something physical but a world of Christians. It's thus intangible.
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In your understanding, What did Jesus mean by this?
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It's a form of how the Kingdom of God realized on earth. It is not something physical but a world of Christians. It's thus intangible.
nPeace
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Among you. In your midst.
If we ask the question, In what way could the Kingdom of God, be in the midst of, or among the Jews, including the Pharisees who were trying to trap him, it might be fitting to ask, what is the kingdom of God.
If the Kingdom of God is a heavenly kingdom, or rulership (government), as the scriptures evidently show, then it makes sense that Jesus was there saying, "Hey guys..."
Just kidding.. "Don't let anyone mislead you by saying, 'This (someone other than Christ Jesus) is the one coming to restore things'. Or 'Look! This one in the desert is he.' because the ruler - the true Messiah who will restore all things - the one designated king and ruler, in the kingdom of God is here among you, in the midst of you. I - the one - am here... among you."
In other words, Jesus, the designated king and representative of God's kingdom was among the people, in their midst. In that way, the kingdom of God was among them.
It makes sense that the true Messiah would forewarn the people, to be alert to the fact that persons would reject him, and look to a future leader that would claim to be the one to restore, or finish all things.... and we see that that has indeed occurred.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Agree with you on thisAmong you. In your midst.
If we ask the question, In what way could the Kingdom of God, be in the midst of, or among the Jews, including the Pharisees who were trying to trap him, it might be fitting to ask, what is the kingdom of God.
If the Kingdom of God is a heavenly kingdom, or rulership (government), as the scriptures evidently show, then it makes sense that Jesus was there saying, "Hey guys..."
"Don't let anyone mislead you by saying, 'This (someone other than Christ Jesus) is the one coming to restore things'. Or 'Look! This one in the desert is he.' because the ruler - the true Messiah who will restore all things - the one designated king and ruler, in the kingdom of God is here among you, in the midst of you. I - the one - am here... among you."
In other words, Jesus, the designated king and representative of God's kingdom was among the people, in their midst. In that way, the kingdom of God was among them.
It makes sense that the true Messiah would forewarn the people, to be alert to the fact that persons would reject him, and look to a future leader that would claim to be the one to restore, or finish all things.... and we see that that has indeed occurred.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Great!Agree with you on this
Good-Ole-Rebel
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In (Is. 66:1-2) God says 'heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool'. That doesn't make God the throne or the footstool. God is separate from His creation. God is omnipresent in that He is everywhere at all times. Not that He is everything at all times.
First of all, (1 Cor. 6:19) is speaking to believers only, Christians. In whom, as I already said, the Spirit of God dwells. This is not true of all of mankind. Only believers in Christ.
Second of all, the 'spirit' is not the subject here. The body is. The body and spirit of believers has been purchased by God through the blood of Jesus Christ. ( 1 Cor. 6:20)
Concerning (Ecc. 12:7), the spirit is the spirit of man, not God. It returns to God as God is the One Who created it. See (Ecc. 3:21) "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth."
Yes, God is my Father. Yes, God is Spirit. But I think you have it backwards. (1 Cor. 15:46-47) "...that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual....."
Neither (Is. 45:5) or (Zeph. 3:17) prove that God and the creation are one and the same.
I was taught the Bible. What were you taught?
Good-Ole-Rebel
exodus 3:14 disagrees with you. it literally says i will be what i will be.
how in the world do you suppose jesus could claim to in the father and father in him? that isn't separate. or how could jesus claim again that in my Father's house their are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you? that isn't god somewhere else. that is self within God surrounded, interpenetrated, and ONE.
no where in the bible does it say god is separate from anything. "you" have chosen to separate yourself from god. "you" define god. "you" define and assign god's resting place to there vs here.
you don't want god to be here. reality doesn't really care about belief; especially when belief tries to create god in someone's exclusive image of what god has to be.
the bible, nor jesus, required a believer to be christian. someone conditioned you to believe that.
the spirit is life, the flesh, the form counts for nothing.
no, again the spirit is god's. it tells you emphatically the Spirit comes from the one who gave it. the spirit/mind is eternal
no the spirit is eternal, creation isn't. the form changes the Spirit of God remains forever the same
i read the bible. many times. i didn't have it taught to me. i ingested it both figuratively and literally. i've already shown you in multiple verses that god and creation are one and the same. you've even attempted to redefine omnipresence as not present. omni literallys means all present. doesn't mean present above, or aloof, or afar from, or otherwise.
you believe god exists in some other place and time. it doesn't. IT is NOW and HERE.
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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No, it says, "I AM THAT I AM".
As to your other rambling, as I have said, God is separate from His creation.
(1 Cor. 6:19) is speaking to believers only. It is them whom the Spirit of God dwells. Thus God is not in every body.
The body is important to God. This is why you have 'resurrection'. This is why Jesus Christ was 'resurrected'.
I just showed you in (Ecc. 12:7) and (3:21) that it is the spirit of man that is being addressed. Not God. You can believe whatever you like. But don't try and conform the Bible to your beliefs.
I just showed you in (1 Cor. 15:46-47), concerning man, that which is natural, the body, is first. Then that which is spiritual is afterward. Again, you can believe what you want. But don't try and conform the Bible to your beliefs.
Therein lies your problem. You reject any others teaching but your own. All you are doing is making the Bible say what you believe. As I said, believe whatever you like. But quit trying to make the Bible conform to your belief. It does not.
Good-Ole-Rebel
actually the original in hebrew is
God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
as a jewish person once told me, hebrew doesn't have a present tense for the word. its past/future only
but even i am that i am is claiming to be all those things i am.
you got it wrong because you bought the snake oil and drank it.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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I AM THAT I AM does not indicate in any way that God is the same as the creation. He is separate from it. He can use it as His pleasure. But He is separate from it.
(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Good-Ole-Rebel
It does not say "I"... אני (H589):
This would be אני אהיה אשׁר אני אהיה (I will be what I will be).
It says, 'Shall become, what shall become' (אהיה אשׁר אהיה)...
In other words if the Lord (H3050) states something, it will become (H1961) what it says.
H is the breath of God, so Hayah means to bring into manifestation, add the A makes it shall become Manifest.
The sacred name of Yahavah is Lord makes Manifest or Lord of Creation, Lord to Be.
In my opinion.
i used a hebrew translation. you might wish to take that up with themIt does not say "I"... אני (H589):
This would be אני אהיה אשׁר אני אהיה (I will be what I will be).
It says, 'Shall become, what shall become' (אהיה אשׁר אהיה)...
In other words if the Lord (H3050) states something, it will become (H1961) what it says.
H is the breath of God, so Hayah means to bring into manifestation, add the A makes it shall become Manifest.
The sacred name of Yahavah is Lord makes Manifest or Lord of Creation, Lord to Be.
In my opinion.
The Complete Tanakh (Tanach) - Hebrew Bible - The Jewish Bible with a Modern English Translation and Rashi's Commentary
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actually it does. i am walking means i'm literally doing that, am that. being that. when i'm being a walker, then i could be called a traveler, trekker, hiker.
am
/am,əm/
verb
- first person singular present of be.
nothing dwells apart from god, nothing can exist separate from god. now there are beings who delude themselves into "believing" that god is separate from them.
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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Nothing exists apart from God. But God is not the creation. Again, (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The Bible depicts God as a Personal Being.
Good-Ole-Rebel
and the heavens and earth were created from the waters that are eternal and the spirit moving on them. shaping them, informing them.
how do you supposed jesus was conceived? the same way you were. the spirit overshadowed mary and the waters formed a babbie
god doesn't generate from ex nihilo. it creates from it's eternal being, I AM.
John 1:3
god is personal and other person too. thou shall not take the name I AM in vain, not exclusive to self.
God is ALL in all. some do not overcome the first death. the death of the spirit buried in the body/clay.
time to wake up ole bean. I AM exclusively no thing and inclusively every thing.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
'In your midst' means in your presence. 'Within you' means by His Spirit.
'Knock and the door shall be opened'. That means 'seek in earnest and you shall find'.
I believe the verses are to be taken collectively and not singled out. The whole of it and not the parts. It is meant for believers.
They as believers must walk by the Spirit.
So there is a Holy Spirit that supposedly makes things evident.
'Faith is the substance of things hoped for evidence of things not seen.'
The Bible also says to compare scripture with scripture.
The Bible says ' things are made by things which do not appear'.
It also says ' Study to show thine self approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth'.
So basically Jesus is for believers and non believers it 'profiteth nothing'.
But like I am still not a Christian. I believe in personal honesty, and personal integrity without such things.
But I do know that the Bible doesn't want itself to be interpreted in any way that someone may want to. It talks ' of being of no private interpretation'.
'Knock and the door shall be opened'. That means 'seek in earnest and you shall find'.
I believe the verses are to be taken collectively and not singled out. The whole of it and not the parts. It is meant for believers.
They as believers must walk by the Spirit.
So there is a Holy Spirit that supposedly makes things evident.
'Faith is the substance of things hoped for evidence of things not seen.'
The Bible also says to compare scripture with scripture.
The Bible says ' things are made by things which do not appear'.
It also says ' Study to show thine self approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth'.
So basically Jesus is for believers and non believers it 'profiteth nothing'.
But like I am still not a Christian. I believe in personal honesty, and personal integrity without such things.
But I do know that the Bible doesn't want itself to be interpreted in any way that someone may want to. It talks ' of being of no private interpretation'.
wellwisher
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This can be explained with an example. Stars, like our sun, use hydrogen based fusion to form atoms such as oxygen. These atoms are analogous to the waters that are eternal. Atoms can last billions of years.
The forces of nature are analogous to the spirit. Inherent in each atom are very specific properties, already predefined, based on the forces of nature as expressed by each atomic configuration. For example, as the conditions cool from the nuclear core of the sun, hydrogen and oxygen will faithfully combine to form stable water molecules. This is inherent within these two atoms, even before they formed in the sun. This change is connected to repeatable eternal properties; spirits of the atoms.
As things get even cooler, water molecules will seek and attract each other through hydrogen bonding to form clouds of mist. As conditions change further these clouds of mist condense into rain. The rain falls to the earth, based on mass and gravity, whose properties were defined before even the atoms. These too are eternal and act as conditions warrant.
The Holy Spirit or the inner voice is connected to a phase change in the human brain, that is induced on top of previous phase changes, resulting in an update of the operating system of the human brain.
We as humans, break down the past into BC and AD. This relative scale is implicit of a major change in the ancient operating system of the human brain. This firmware is like a new brain phase, where attitudes and behavior changed, leading to the modern world. It is also driven by the spirit inherent with the atoms; forces, which leverages change, as newer and newer conditions are reached.
Thoughts and beliefs wire our neurons a given way. These wiring grids defines the electromagnetic potentials or the ambient conditions for the atoms and molecules of biology. There is a certain set of ideas; conditions, which result in another new phase change, that was inherent, even when there were no atoms;
The anxious longer of creation eagerly awaits the revealing of the sons of God; phase change that precipitates new advanced firmware.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you end up living as you believe
you end up alongside others that think and feel as you do
how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?
your mind and heart determines the kingdom
that becomes your next life
Good-Ole-Rebel
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(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Makes God separate from His creation.
Good-Ole-Rebel
and genesis 1:2 tells your what heaven and earth were created from. they were created from two aspects of god, water and spirit. never heard of the waters of god? or jesus reference to water welling up to everlasting life?
the heavens and earth; which are forms were created from the unformed water with the unformed spirit moving over them. those two parts the waters of god and the spirit of god formed heaven and earth.
god is in the detail
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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(Gen. 1:1) is the original creation. The point is God created it. Making Him separate from it.
(Gen. 1:2) is not the original creation. It is the condition of the earth after a severe judgement from God.
The point is, The Spirit of God is not the waters. The Spirit of God is not the earth.
As I said, believe what you want, but don't try and say the Bible teaches God and the creation are the same. They are not.
Good-Ole-Rebel