Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
And what has occurred is the President nosing around for information from foreign powers about a person who may be a contender against him for the presidency.
Do you really think there was another motive?
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Donald Trump is digging his own grave
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And what has occurred is the President nosing around for information from foreign powers about a person who may be a contender against him for the presidency.
Do you really think there was another motive?
Cooky
Veteran Member
But what information was used to discredit Biden? I'll give you a hint: none. Trump would have needed to make a claim based on information gathered from other countries. It hasn't happened yet.
...So without the criminal act, there is no crime.
To say Trump was probably going to commit a crime, and then impeaching him based on that, would be corruption. And those responsible for it should receive real jail time.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Solicitation is the act.
Cooky
Veteran Member
He never said he was gaining the information to use it against Joe Biden, or that he had any plans on using the information at all, aside from gaining personal knowledge of it.
Unless he admits that he was going to share the information, prior to the next election, and specifically if Joe Biden was a chosen candidate, then no crime was committed.
You can blame the whistleblower for prematurely revealing this... He should have waited.
Cooky
Veteran Member
...But the whistleblower couldn't wait. He had to intercept this before anything potentially happened to the pre-Chosen One.
Spying for a potential candidate... Must be nice that a potential candidate has the ability to spy on the POTUS... That's some real power.!
Spying for a potential candidate... Must be nice that a potential candidate has the ability to spy on the POTUS... That's some real power.!
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Are you saying you think he had other reasons for soliciting the information?
Cooky
Veteran Member
He could have been using it for after the election -with Joe Biden as president, facing his own impeachment crisis. Which would be legal.
...Don't think the right isn't going to pay the next democratic president back. It's going to be hardball now.
And rightfully so, if it can be proven that Biden broke some laws in Ukraine.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
So you agree he was digging for dirt to influence a political opponent, just his timing was off? Of course, as President he has certain influences. Which is a big part of the problem.
I don't think politics should be about gameplay no matter how it is currently (and likely always has been) done.
Rightfully so, if Biden is President. Why do I suspect Biden will become the "what about"?
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
I read and followed this so called claim made by Shifty Shiff and his media puppets.
Trump first of all did not bring up that The Ukraine president should get dirt on anyone, it was Zelensky who did.
Trump told him to contact William Barr!
Trump advised the man to dig deep into the corruption made by Bidden, and to not leave it alone!
The same with China.
Guys, if Biden and his sons were corrupt and stole money from America with the use of Ukrane, China and Irak, why should Trump not tell his counter presidents to not leave it uninvestigated?
if these guys did nothing wrong, no problem, but there is sooooo much evidence to get Bidden, his 2 sons guilty of corruption, and election medling, anyone not knowing this are sure as heck only listening to CNN news!
And why the hell are the Dems and American Corrupt news so scared to have Mc Cabe, Bidden, Hillary, Steel, Fusion GPS, Comey, Shiff, and all these corrupt liars investigated?
And lastly, do you realy all think that this stupidity by Pelosi and her socialist communist gang will stick on the American people?
I dont think they are so gullable to believe any of their BS.
When will the Dems, leftists and Corrupt Cable News learn that the more they blow up these idiots' concoctions on TRump, the bigger the explosion in their faces?
I am of opinion the Democratic party will loose against a 2 thirds majority Republican vote in 2020.
And yes!
Trump should call all the countries in the world and ask them to investigate the Dems for their corruption over the last 20 years, just as the Dems did with Trump!
And they got Nothing for over 3 years but scams and lies against the greatest President the world has ever known!
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
So what are you saying.
If one is a Democratic candidate for precidency, he is above the law?
Why did no Democrat preach that when they investigated Trump when he was a candidate?
Do you understand that I see bias on your post?
The criminal act is asking another country for dirt on a potential opponent, thereby asking them to interfere in our election.
That is treason.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Does anyone remember the collusion delusion, where the Democrats attempted to take out Trump with what turned out to be a scam? Do you remember how not a single Democrat went to jail, even though the entire upper level of the Democrat party went along with the scam? Do you also remember how AG Barr said he was going to look at the origins of this scam, which had overseas connections? What you are now seeing are the Democrats trying to stay out of jail for their past crimes This is another round of fake news. It is a Hail Mary scam, since the Barr report is coming out shortly, and the guilty know what their roles were. Lies are quick, but the truth is slow and steady and eventually overtakes the lies. Truth is even catching top to this round of lies.
You need to keep your eye on ball, and not look over there, so the Democrats can attempt another magic trick.
Trump allowed this to happen. He knew he is being recorded by intelligence agencies on both sides of international calls. He knows the Democrats still have deep state plants in Government, and that they will leak anything that can to harm Trump, and/or undermine the the Barr investigation. But he also knows that controlled leaking is a good way to educate the public about Democrat corruption. For example, fake news did not investigate the facts, when the Biden story first broke, during the collusion delusion. The Biden scandal is not new, nor did it begin after Biden became a candidate.
The bottom line is this. Biden and his son did not do anything new. The type of corruption he is accused of is rampant in Washington. Our Leaders set up third party companies, such as consultant companies, which then get kick backs from the tax payers dollars, directed to companies, who provide services to the US government. Whether it is the services of Mobil or Solyndra, government contracts are a way to money launder tax payer dollars, back to the government leaders, through third parties companies, such as those represented by a son or daughter. Biden's son was a vessel for Biden, since direct payment is illegal. Again this tax payer money laundering scam, through contractors, is rampart throughout government. How do you think our leaders get rich on civl servant salaries?
The Democrats took this, "legal" form of corruption, to the next level, when they came up with the globalism scam. All the money the US gives around the world, for defense purposes and for humanitarian aid, became part of the tax payer money laundering scam. Biden's son's third party company, got a piece of the $billion loan given to Ukraine. The Ukraine Government has its own contractors, who kicked back money to grease the palm of it leaders and Biden, through his son's contractor company.
The global warming and climate change scam was the biggest scam, since it promised $trillions in US tax payer money given to developing countries, whose leaders were more than willing to be part of the US tax payer money laundering scam. This is why the UN is so anti-Trump. Trump messed this up.
Trump has upset that international status quo and everyone wants their stolen money train scam back on track, even if they have to break the law to punish Trump, for messing this up. Biden is the tip of the iceberg. He is being used as an example to open the discussion on international money laundering. Biden cannot be punished legally, only politically, since this is done by nearly every leader, since they made it legal. However, his example may close the loophole.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
I reckon you didn't read what I wrote in post #11
Our President did not ask Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden; the fact of this matter is Biden himself publicly bragged last year that he as Vice President put a stipulation on U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine. Joe Biden's stipulation on U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine was that the Ukrainian prosecutor,be fired for his investigation into why Biden's son had been paid $50 k a month by a Ukrainian natural gas energy production company where Joe Biden's son was unqualified to do any work there for this company.
In conclusion, since President Donald J. Trump didn't ask Ukraine to find any wrongdoing other than what Biden himself publicly admitted to having interfered with the Ukrainian justice system, Donald J. Trump has not violated any laws for asking Ukraine to verify what Biden had himself already admitted to having tampered with the Ukrainian judicial system.
Actually, this was because of a US policy that this prosecutor be removed from office. The policy had Republican backing and international support. There was nothing secret about it and had nothing to do with his son's business. It had to do with the fact that this prosecutor was not doing his job.
There is NO evidence that Biden did anything wrong or corrupt in this.
In contrast, Trump was asking for a criminal investigation into a potential political opponent to get dirt on that opponent. he did so by removing Congressionally provided aide to that country unless it helped to get that dirt.
But more, Trump has now *publicly* asked for China to launch an investigation while dangling trade deals with them.
This is clear abuse of power.
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
And the beauty of it all is that the Corrupt Democrat Globalists did not even see Trump comming with this strategy.
He planned this all in advance, knowing the Dem swamp would leak and lie and the Corrupt media will again push the collusion narrative.
He simply knew it all, and he again used the fake news and Dem communists to sit with a sharp boomarang comming their way.
I just love the Guy.
He speaks like a New Yorker with a small vocabulary, upsets the foolish socialists, and drive them crazy.
Then he feeds them rubbish, and they swallow it hook line and sinker.
Let's go further. At this point, two presidents have been impeached and neither was removed from office.
Andrew Johnson was impeached for attempting to remove his minister of War against the specific will of Congress (as expressed in a law they overrode a veto for).
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress concerning an investigation into an affair he had with an intern.
Nixon was not impeached, but he stepped down from office to avoid impeachment. He had ordered a theft of Democratic campaign plans and covered up that robbery.
it is clear to me that Trump, at almost every stage since he took office, has ignored Congressional oversight (which is a Constitutional duty of the Congress), has flaunted the checks and balances of our system, has attempted to get foreign powers to meddle in our election, and has generally been an embarrassment to our country both at home and abroad.
Trumps shenanigans have *far* surpassed the violations of the previous two presidents to be impeached.
He should be removed from office condemned as the scoundrel he is.
Andrew Johnson was impeached for attempting to remove his minister of War against the specific will of Congress (as expressed in a law they overrode a veto for).
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress concerning an investigation into an affair he had with an intern.
Nixon was not impeached, but he stepped down from office to avoid impeachment. He had ordered a theft of Democratic campaign plans and covered up that robbery.
it is clear to me that Trump, at almost every stage since he took office, has ignored Congressional oversight (which is a Constitutional duty of the Congress), has flaunted the checks and balances of our system, has attempted to get foreign powers to meddle in our election, and has generally been an embarrassment to our country both at home and abroad.
Trumps shenanigans have *far* surpassed the violations of the previous two presidents to be impeached.
He should be removed from office condemned as the scoundrel he is.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Trump is just simply asking Ukraine to verify Viktor Shokin's claim he made in an affidavit that he was indeed removed from office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into the Ukrainian energy production company that had given a high paying job to Hunter Biden who had no prior experience working in any energy production field. This information can then be pieced together with Joe Biden's own claim he himself asserted last year that he as Vice President put a stipulation on U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine. Joe Biden's stipulation on U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine was that the Ukrainian prosecutor,be fired for his investigation into why Biden's son had been paid $50 k a month by a Ukrainian natural gas energy production company where Joe Biden's son was unqualified to do any work there for this company. Trump isn't doing anything wrong here by simply asking Ukraine to verify what Biden himself publicly admitted to having interfered with the Ukrainian justice system, this along with Viktor Shokin's claim that he was indeed removed from office for having conducted an investigation into how Joe Biden's son received a high paying job for a Ukrainian natural gas production company when Joe Biden's son had no prior work experience in the energy production field. Donald J. Trump has not violated any laws for asking Ukraine to verify what Biden had himself already admitted to having tampered with the Ukrainian judicial system.
Jollybear
Hey
If there was a conflict of interest, how can there not be a conflict of interest? Lol. Go back to school and learn reading comprehention.
Theres nothing insane about it, there is however something insane about your reading ability.
No, i do not. I go with the weight of the evidence, you do not.
However, lets assume for the sake of argument that i cherry pick, well then, SO DO YOU.
Ok, by that SAME rational, trump also broke no laws. You see? The democrats have a double standard.
Bidens son had no experience in the field.
That is a falsehood. The US government (which Biden was a part of at the time) had *as a matter of policy* that this prosecutor be removed because he wasn't doing his job *not* because of any investigation into Biden's son.
Furthermore, this policy was bipartisan (being approved of by Republicans here) and international (being approved of by other countries).
This is one of those myths that Trump likes to speculate about with absolutely no actual evidence to support his conspiracy theories. if you want 'fake news', listen to Trump.
Sorry, but the actual evidence doesn't support this. Trump is attempting to involve other countries in his attempts to find dirt on a potential political opponent.
THAT IS ILLEGAL.