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Will We Know What Came Before the Big Bang Within the Next 50 Years?
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Spirit of Light
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Before BigBang there where another universe similar to what we live in now, in my understanding
leov
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It may still be around...Before BigBang there where another universe similar to what we live in now, in my understanding
Spirit of Light
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In my understanding there are many many universes outside of this one
Thanks for the video. Nicely presented.
Cannot speculate on the number 50, but at least the period of time will be shorter, IF the astronomical scientific community considers Veda, VedAnta-Upanishads, and at least parts of the BhAgvat PurAN with whatever grain of salt.
Ethical consciousness is needed so as to not misuse the knowledge. Humans are not the center and we have no right to misuse the knowledge given by ParamAtmA.
We have the answer today, with a healthy mystery element of the ParamAtmA.
It would only be appropriate, however, if the discovering scientists acknowledged the wisdom of the ancient Divine revelations in vedopanishads, like Einstein, Pythagoras and others did. Those who acknowledged faith in the Upanishads, were given that spring-board (leap) for scientific investigation.
Same is the case with scientists working on consciousness.
What came before the Big Bang ?
The BrahmANDa , the Cosmic Egg - (the video said size of a thumb - angusTha **2) - all heavy gravitational crunching of the whole.
Who created the Cosmic Egg?
That is a sacred secret: Brahman' -- Pure Being with Infinite Potential in seed form.
Just as a spider spins a web out of itself without any 3rd party raw material (BhAgvat MahaPurAN and Upanishads). (the Universal Chicken in the video - who happens to be eternal)
So the upanishads say that Brahman' "became" everything yet remained untouched as Brahman' (just as the spider-with-substance-of-potential-web became web yet remained the spider-I)
Who made Pure Being?
No one. Pure Being IS. Be s. Conscious blissful existence - sacchidAnanda. That is our nature. Tat tvam asi, Shwetaketo*1.
However, this was not the first time a BrahmANDa was created. This is the nature of Pure Being acc. to Veda-PurANas - generation (sRshTi) - maintenance - dissolution - re-generation ... and we have been through unknown, infinite such cycles, because the last dissolution handed over the material required for this generation.
AnAdi-ananta = without beginning and end on the time arrow (infinite at both ends).
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*1 Chhandogya Upanishad 6.9.3, 6.13.1, ... That which is this subtle essence, all this has got THAT as the Self. THAT is Truth. THAT is the Self. Thou art that, O Shwetaketu.
Shwetaketu's father explains in N ways with N examples, the essence of Pure Being (conscious blissful existence - sacchidAnanda) that gave rise to everything, hence that is the Core of our Being, until Shwetaketu understands the import.
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**2 That finger width the person in the video showed was actually the size of the thumb -- although BrahmANDa is pre-physical primordial energy and is generated by the spiritual Pure Being - Brahman-paramAtmA (the I of the universe), that is coincidentally the size of the ParamAtmA in our hearts, roughly 2-3 inches. This means the essence, gist, summation of the source of the Universe lives in our heart as non-physical , full-spiritual ParamAtmA , Spirit.
Cannot speculate on the number 50, but at least the period of time will be shorter, IF the astronomical scientific community considers Veda, VedAnta-Upanishads, and at least parts of the BhAgvat PurAN with whatever grain of salt.
Ethical consciousness is needed so as to not misuse the knowledge. Humans are not the center and we have no right to misuse the knowledge given by ParamAtmA.
We have the answer today, with a healthy mystery element of the ParamAtmA.
It would only be appropriate, however, if the discovering scientists acknowledged the wisdom of the ancient Divine revelations in vedopanishads, like Einstein, Pythagoras and others did. Those who acknowledged faith in the Upanishads, were given that spring-board (leap) for scientific investigation.
Same is the case with scientists working on consciousness.
What came before the Big Bang ?
The BrahmANDa , the Cosmic Egg - (the video said size of a thumb - angusTha **2) - all heavy gravitational crunching of the whole.
Who created the Cosmic Egg?
That is a sacred secret: Brahman' -- Pure Being with Infinite Potential in seed form.
Just as a spider spins a web out of itself without any 3rd party raw material (BhAgvat MahaPurAN and Upanishads). (the Universal Chicken in the video - who happens to be eternal)
So the upanishads say that Brahman' "became" everything yet remained untouched as Brahman' (just as the spider-with-substance-of-potential-web became web yet remained the spider-I)
Who made Pure Being?
No one. Pure Being IS. Be s. Conscious blissful existence - sacchidAnanda. That is our nature. Tat tvam asi, Shwetaketo*1.
However, this was not the first time a BrahmANDa was created. This is the nature of Pure Being acc. to Veda-PurANas - generation (sRshTi) - maintenance - dissolution - re-generation ... and we have been through unknown, infinite such cycles, because the last dissolution handed over the material required for this generation.
AnAdi-ananta = without beginning and end on the time arrow (infinite at both ends).
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*1 Chhandogya Upanishad 6.9.3, 6.13.1, ... That which is this subtle essence, all this has got THAT as the Self. THAT is Truth. THAT is the Self. Thou art that, O Shwetaketu.
Shwetaketu's father explains in N ways with N examples, the essence of Pure Being (conscious blissful existence - sacchidAnanda) that gave rise to everything, hence that is the Core of our Being, until Shwetaketu understands the import.
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**2 That finger width the person in the video showed was actually the size of the thumb -- although BrahmANDa is pre-physical primordial energy and is generated by the spiritual Pure Being - Brahman-paramAtmA (the I of the universe), that is coincidentally the size of the ParamAtmA in our hearts, roughly 2-3 inches. This means the essence, gist, summation of the source of the Universe lives in our heart as non-physical , full-spiritual ParamAtmA , Spirit.
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Darkforbid
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No
leov
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Spirit of Light
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Its ok you do not belive in multiverse
leov
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Actually I do , in a way .Its ok you do not belive in multiverse
Stephen Hawking argued that "before the Big Bang" may not be a coherent concept.
Good video.
During my interest in cosmology knowledge of big bang has got closer and closer to the event from 10e-24 of second through 10e-32 of a second after to 10e-43 of a second after the BB
I think great efforts will be required, including a new and improved theory of General Relatively that accounts for quantum effects before further process is made.
There are many hypothesis of pre BB, various multiverse hypothesis are as good as any other.
During my interest in cosmology knowledge of big bang has got closer and closer to the event from 10e-24 of second through 10e-32 of a second after to 10e-43 of a second after the BB
I think great efforts will be required, including a new and improved theory of General Relatively that accounts for quantum effects before further process is made.
There are many hypothesis of pre BB, various multiverse hypothesis are as good as any other.
My personal belief is that "before the big bang" is not so much a "when" as much as a "where". I think this universe was pinched off from another one that may or may not still exist. I think black holes now are doing the same thing. Maybe not every one, but some. Of course, I have no proof of any of this, which is why it's a personal belief.
The laws that govern our universe did not exist so pre big bang may be beyond human conception
I read somewhere that Vishnu Padmanābha is a representation of the Big Bang. From ananta and sanātana comes everything. Think about it!
cladking
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I've long suspected that the "big bang" either doesn't exist and is an artefact of the math we use or that it is really a long series of events that are local in time and "space".
Perhaps with 4 dimensional space (point, line, plane, volume) and one dimensional time (separate from space) the big bang would simply disappear but the math is over my head.
Perhaps with 4 dimensional space (point, line, plane, volume) and one dimensional time (separate from space) the big bang would simply disappear but the math is over my head.
Of Course it is. Shesha-shAyi Bhagavanta. anAdi ananta.
And the BrahmANDa - the Cosmic Egg arising from PadmanAbha is the one that "bangs" or expands.
I alluded to the NAbhi Kamal of BhagavAn VishNu in this post on black holes
but it is indirect.
That any galactic center is PadmanAbh's nAbhI-kamal (Lotus navel of VishNu) is something all Hindus will observe. Whether a black hole is at the center or not.
BrahmA arises from it in a Lotus so the galaxies are body of BrahmA.
Same principle down to each molecule, atom (nucleus-neutron - VishNu, proton-BrahmA, electron - Rudra-Shiva), quantum particle.
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namah: kamalanAbhAya namaste jalashAyine |
namaste keshavAnanta vAsudeva namostute || - Post-VishNu SahasranAma shlok
vAsanAd vAsudevasya vAsitam bhuvana trayam |
sarva-bhUta nivAsosi vAsudeva namostute || - Post-VishNu-SahasranAma shlok
Salutations to the One with the Lotus Navel who reclines in the primordial space.
The One Who supports the entire universe(s) , is eternal and endless, on an endless bed [of time]
Salutations to VAsudeva , the One (God -- Dev) who pervades everything everywhere, in Whom all beings live and Who lives (VAs) in the heart of all beings (definition of VAsudev).
To that VAsudeva who resides in the 3 worlds, and in [the hearts] of all entities.
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Turn on your TV, tune it off channel, about 10% of the static you hear is echo of big bang.
Also see see the universe expanding, if follows that it was smaller. Plot the expansion backwards and ...
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The foundation of the theory is the observed cosmological redshift (see the graph from Hubble of his early work, posted by CM).
If you can come up with a different explanation of redshift please msg me. I would love to share the Nobel with you.
Seriously, I have lost count of the number of proposed alternatives (going back to Hubble; he hard a hard time with the notion of an expanding universe too BTW, always called it 'apparent expansion') I have read over the years (I was an astronomer). The greatest minds of the 20th century all failed in the effort. That does mean that there is not some some crazy new physics involved that we don't know about but that looks rather unlikely. By the way, this is a bit of a moot point until we figure out what dark matter and energy are.