sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You’re basing this on one passage from an ancient fairy tale? Job? Srrsly?
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Contradictions in the Bible
- Thread starter rrobs
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Dear God! Please — I’m begging you: Take a class!
Good-Ole-Rebel
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well, yeah it is a fairy tale. Biblical scholars will tell you that.
" ...One should consider the book not as a drama composed for theatrical production, but as a lyrical meditation with a dramatis personae … The theme of the righteous man who suffers ignominy because he is being tested by rival deities or divine beings probably belongs to the international folklore of the ancient East. Much more pertinent are the parallels which have been discovered between Job and the Egyptian literature."(1)
"Readers are urged to approach Job as fiction."(2)
"Parallels to the [Egyptian] declarations of innocence are found in the book of Job (Job 31)."(3)
"A Sufferer and a Soul" … composed in Ancient Egypt, 1-39 (Job 3:17ff) Teachers in Mesopotamia and in ancient Israel used similar trial genres in their works such as the books of Ecclesiastes and Job."(4)
"A Farmer and the Courts in Egypt" B2:114-35 (Job 5:26;7:1-10) The book of Job follows a structure similar to A Farmer and the courts."(5)
"A Sufferer and a Friend is similar to the book of Job. Both are conversations, dialogues or arguments."(6)
(There follow numerous passage citations and examples on following pages.)
1) Samuel Terrein, The Interpreter's Bible, Vol. 3, P. 879
2) Edwin Good, Harper Collins Bible Commentary, P. 369
3) Victor Matthews, Don Benjamin, Old Testament Parallels: Laws and Stories from the Ancient Near East, 2nd Ed., P. 223
4) Ibid. Pp. 208,9
5) Ibid. Pp. 221, 215
6) Ibid. Pg. 223
But the fairy story MUST be real, because … bible!
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Also:
"We must always remember that the book of Job is a piece of literature and not a report of history...it does not present itself as 'the voice of God.'"
-- Claudia Camp, Chalice Introduction to the Old Testament, Steussy, ed., Pg. 223
Good-Ole-Rebel
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No, the story is real because it is found in the Bible and spoken of as real.
Just like Noah and Daniel were real. (Ezekiel 14:14, 20) (James 5:11)
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The story is real because it exists, just as "Jack and the Beanstalk" is real because it exists. But the story isn't a matter of history. It's myth. Just like the creation myths, and Noah, and Moses, and the Israelites in Egypt.
Just because it's in the bible doesn't make it a matter of historic fact.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Claudia's not wrong. What makes you think that? Is it because she disagrees with you? She has the benefit of evidence on her side. Matthews is not wrong that elements of Job are found in earlier, Egyptian writings. It's a matter of record. Evidence points to the story being fiction. Evidence. You, on the other hand, have no external evidence that the story is historic fact. None.
Faithofchristian
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I'm not saying those people back in 1611, didn't do a good job at translation, But if they had what we have to day in technology, think of the amazing job they would have done in their translation.
So there is difference. But for some unknown reason, people of to day, seem to think those people back in 1611 had technology as we have to day. But they didn't have the technology as we to day, to do a good job in the translation of languages into the English language. As we do to day.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Well, yes it does. It doesn't mean you have to believe them. But they are real.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Yes she is. Every book of the Bible is the Word of God.. (2 Tim. 3:16)
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Well, today may have the technology, but not the devotion and desire for God as those in 1611 had.
With all the technology today I don't believe they have produced a better Bible then the KJV.
Good-Ole-Rebel
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
‘K.
Prove it. Prove that just because the Bible says it, it’s a fact.
I’ll be waiting for your hard evidence.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
1) Circular reasoning. You guys always try this and it Never. Works. A thing can’t claim itself to be true because it’s true.
2) The text you cite doesn’t say what you say it says. It doesn’t say “ every book of the Bible is the word of God.” It says “all scripture is inspired by God.” And it’s not talking about the NT, because the NT wasn’t scripture when 2Tim was written.
“Inspiration” and “dictated material” are not the same thing.
Fail.
sooda
Veteran Member
Yes, Job is a fairy tale.. or you could call it an essay on the problem of evil. Its not an historical event.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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All Scripture means 'all Scripture'. Even though the New Testament was in the process of being written, it too is Scripture. That is why it is in the Bible.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
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See post # (745).
You can call it whatever you like. It is presented as a real story and was a real story.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Subduction Zone
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Nope, that is an unjustified assumption. A proper reading indicates that he means all "scripture" at That time. And scripture is not even well defined.
Subduction Zone
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Why do you think that?
Tell me, do you believe that the serpent was Satan in the Garden of Eden myth?