And ego is driven by insecurity. So deep inside, but very hidden, is the realisation that your faith makes little sense, so a constant barrage of affirming that it does overcomes that?
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Why do we "fight" over faith and belief?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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And which 'one' would that be?
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
1) Teachers brainwashing others with "My way is the highway"
2) Bookish knowledge instead of real knowledge
3) Arrogance instead of humbleness
4) Ego first, Love last
5) Direspect and belittling creates hate
Beautiful thoughts Amanaki. I think it’s very important in this age for us all to reach out to each other and abandon our prejudices. I’d like to think we can visit each other’s place of worship such as the church, mosque, synagogue, temples and pagodas and mix in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship.
I’ve prayed and meditated at all these places and found them to each have a unique beauty like that of the different coloured flowers in a garden. I follow Buddha too but also Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Krishna, the Bab and Baha’u’llah. I believe They all teach truth and virtue. It is very possible to accept them all as They all teach spiritual truths.
We can learn from all religions and be as one human family. This is what the Buddha wished, this is what all the Messengers and Prophets desired most - that we live in peace and harmony as one human family.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Yes I am agree with you (again
) And actually the energy that can be felt in the different houses of worship is amazing where prayer meditation or chanting is done, energy build-up and can be used to get even deeper in to the prayer meditation or chant In my own experience that is
Hi stvdv. I think it’s time humanity stopped listening to the voices that divide us and accept and love all humanity unconditionally no matter which faith, race or nationality. We are all one people inhabiting one earth. Let it be in unity and harmony.
A Vestigial Mote
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My personal problem is with people who say they know things they cannot possibly know. And when many of these people I have this problem with go on to claim that they CAN possibly know these things, and then I ask them for the justification, it has always been something completely insufficient and lacking proper evidence for the confidence with which they put it forward. And then, when I call them on this, they accuse me of being biased to the point of being unable to accept their evidence "just because."
Do they seriously think that I accepted something like "evolution" right out of the gate, with no evidence or convincing of myself being needed? Perhaps they do - but they would be mistaken. The evidence for evolution is, instead, so compelling that I found that I would be reticent in my desire to remain knowledgeable and accepting of reality if I were to choose to try not to accept it. It is completely unlike any religious claim in astoundingly fundamental ways. Religious claims have nothing on things like evolution, theory of gravity, etc. There is no comparison. Which is partly why there will always be a battle if there are people believing in things for which they have insufficient evidential support. Always.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Maybe evolution is not so far away from the ruth, even for those who follow a spiritual path.
Example the Christian God did not say evolution did not happen after he created the cosmos and earth, did he?
In my understanding, something(God, Source, Or other beings) may have started the kick-off to be like Big Bang But i do not think it was the Big bang we know of, i believe (don't know for sure) that there have been Hundreds if not Thousands of Big bang before the one we know of. But if my thought of this is right, then it is only the first Big bang that was started by a Creator. But yes i can be wrong
The path within to get to know or realize the ultimate 'self' or 'I-feeling'.
Whether you follow that path within or without a religious context makes no difference.
The divisions between religions are useless from the spiritual viewpoint.
So the folks who think that going within is 'of the devil' are excluded?
sealchan
Well-Known Member
With the rise of science and its ability to demonstrate what is truth in a consistent fashion, other truth systems have been made to look inadequate. Most of us dont understand how science and religion have different goals and means and that such comparisons can be irrelevant.
But now we have many religions that try to compete with science and a little bit vice versa. They have raised the vice of literalism where imaginative contemplation should be practiced. But religions give us ourselves so in order to fight against the hard facts of science we need some weapon strong enough. But unfortunately that weapon is often not better imagination but again simple minded traditionalism and literalism.
So our very sense of personal integrity is challenged whenever our literalistic faith of choice or inheritance is called into question. We are prone to fight against the "others" and even religious leaders abandon the principles of their great teachers in order to gain a scrap of worldly power or influence.
We need better myth, we need to recognize the value of myth, we need to open up to that void out of which new images of human potential and promise arise, the mystery of our existence and the nature of our experience. For their goes God forever ahead of us down the path we are blindly trying to find.
And fairly often the differences are not quite so small. There are many creeds thriving around the world that teach a lot of dangerous and disrespectful behaviors in no uncertain terms.
Truth be told, quite a few of them could not strive harder to avoid understanding the truth of our existence if they wanted to. For many, lies and delusions are indeed the name of the game, although they will never admit that in quite those words.
Amanaki, I think that we should not underestimate the challenges that come directly with differences of opinion among people that have to coexist or cooperate for any reason - and in these days of effective and fairly widespread transports and communications, those people are potentially many more than they were just a few decades ago.
It is fairly easy to be happy for people that we feel disconnected from. It is considerably harder to feel happy for people who regularly enter our field of perception. All the more so when they interact regularly with us directly. And it can be an intense, passionate and lifelong challenge to deal with differences of opinion with people who we are tied to in deep links.
We see that in politics even more than in religion. Having conflicting views of what would be best for our communities is no small source of sorrow.
To an extent that is unavoidable. We all exist in the same world and there are only so many diverse goals and strategies that can be reconciled with each other. When we can't reach agreements, we end up in conflict. That is just how it goes.
The true solution, such as it is, would be to exert discernment and encourage its development in ourselves and others, developing more ambitious solutions when our challenges outgrow more traditional ways of dealing with difficulties.
But even that can only go so far. At some point communities end up collapsing under their own weight, simply because their means simply can not sustain their goals anymore.
Being a part of such a collapse while feeling unfairly neglected in any way can be very stressful indeed, and lead people towards destructive behavior and destructive beliefs.
That is why we all have a responsibility over the health of our own actions, as well as that of our beliefs.
That is certainly a worthy goal and a state of being to be maintainted once reached.
It is also, alas, a fairly rare one. Our personal comfort is only very rarely quite that independent from the cooperation of others.
Not to be subtle, quite a few of us are in fact sick in various ways that originate and/or reflect on our beliefs and our behavior.
It is not a simple matter of being at different levels of wisdom and lacking enough mutual understanding. There are deeper, more difficult challenges for us to deal with.
That attitude is the mark of one of those ill states of being, IMO.
I take it that you disagree with me then, when I say that there is definitely such a thing as a misguided teaching.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
You mean like working together to condemn gay people and agreeing it is okay?
Or like agreeing kids should be taught creationism and religious texts in school instead of science and math?
Do you see where maybe what you would consider something being no problem is always going to be a problem ?
We Never Know
No Slack
Why do people fight over lack of faith and lack of belief? IMO the lack of is faught about more.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
IMO:
Science can be useful for peaceful life
Spirituality can be useful for peaceful mind
I value and appreciate both
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Thank you for a very good answer
And no I do not disagree with you in that some misguided teachings do exist, but in my own experience (could be wrong of course ) It is more often people of today that misunderstand and misrepresent the religious paths we see today then that they are wrong originally.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
If you make a problem out it, it will become a problem yes. I don't try to make a problem, i hope to get as many to follow religion as possible, and no it does not need to be the one i follow my self.
So atheists don't count?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
What do you mean? I can't change their none belief to belief I think, and if they don't want to believe that is ok to me
You said you hoped to get them to follow religion. That indicated to me that it wasn't okay to you if they didn't. I guess I misunderstood.