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Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

Rex

Founder
By RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion Writer



NEW YORK - [size=-1]A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God — more or less — based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday. [/size]

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At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.



Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives.



"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."



Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.



Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.



There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.



Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"



The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese's Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland's University of St. Andrews.



The first hint of Flew's turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain's Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote.



The letter commended arguments in Schroeder's "The Hidden Face of God" and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.



This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Books.



Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well "that's too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."



Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.



Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big deal."



Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.



A Methodist minister's son, Flew became an atheist at 15.







Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all. Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.

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cardero

Citizen Mod
Rex Admin quotes: "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."


I’m thinking he is thinking of the same GOD that I am thinking.

 

chuck010342

Active Member
Ceridwen018 said:
Yes chuck, I suppose AC/DC fit the criteria of 'great philosophers', in my opinion, anyhow. :)
that just goes to show you how that the followers of Jesus can have sarcasm
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
I would say that he is begining to fear death... and judgment..... so has betrayed a lifetime of study.

Sad really.

Scott
 

HelpMe

·´sociopathic meanderer`·
fear death and judgement?did you read his statement?

"...Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife..."
 
Well I, for one, respect the guy. You have to be pretty open minded to be able to change your way of thinking after so many years. If he thinks he's been wrong all this time...good for him!
 

Paraprakrti

Custom User
Hello atheists, there seem to be so many of you here.

It doesn't seem this great atheist has changed his position so much. He is just beginning to accept the sensible idea that intelligence is an essential factor in the origins of the universe. What is mind boggling to me is how so many people still insist the contrary to this. It is simply insulting to reason.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Still putting together what happened. Looks like he is going with the complex design or intelligent design theroy. He talked about DNA in the MSN article
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917
but wondering if he really meant RNA which is theorized, from my understanding of it to have been the result of spontaneous life. It will be interesting as to how infidels.org treats him after today and how the online atheist community reacts to things he says from now on.

I say that because I have seen a Bible thumping fundalmentalists convert to atheism before on another site and the other Christians had so much hate an contempt for him openly calling him a leuitant in Satan's army and it was an eye opening experience for me. Flew is so large in the atheist community I am curious to see the reaction from it.
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
Paraprakrti said:
It doesn't seem this great atheist has changed his position so much.
You can't be serious... To go from denying the existence of God, to embracing God as the Designer of the Universe - not a change in position? I MUST have misread something.

Paraprakrti said:
He is just beginning to accept the sensible idea that intelligence is an essential factor in the origins of the universe.
Is it sensible to accept that idea because it is logically sound, or because it agrees with your beliefs?

Paraprakrti said:
What is mind boggling to me is how so many people still insist the contrary to this. It is simply insulting to reason.
There is definitely something insulting to reason here - that is undeniable. I would submit that the affront to reason is on behalf of those that would insist that the idea of Intelligent Design or Creationism are based on anything other than revealed faith. ID or Creationism are fine belief systems, but they are based solely in faith - not on logic or reason.

If Flew has changed his mind (and obviously he has), I would venture that it is based, as SOG said, on a late in life fear of death - whether he believes in an afterlife or not. I can't presume to know what is in his mind, so I'll take him at his word that he does not believe in an afterlife.

Thanks,
TVOR
 

Paraprakrti

Custom User
The Voice of Reason said:
You can't be serious... To go from denying the existence of God, to embracing God as the Designer of the Universe - not a change in position? I MUST have misread something.
It is not now that he has accepted a personal God. Through his studies he identifies some type of intellligence. That is all. His position has changed, but the change is not so drastic. Not the way I see it, at least.


The Voice of Reason said:
Is it sensible to accept that idea because it is logically sound, or because it agrees with your beliefs?
Allowing me to believe what tends to be logically sound...


The Voice of Reason said:
There is definitely something insulting to reason here - that is undeniable. I would submit that the affront to reason is on behalf of those that would insist in the idea of Intelligent Design or Creationism based on anything other than revealed faith. ID or Creationism are fine belief systems, but they are based solely in faith - not on logic or reason.
Such words you type in order to suggest non-intelligence. Do you have faith that anything you type or speak has possibly any intelligence in it at all?


The Voice of Reason said:
If Flew has changed his mind (and obviously he has), I would venture that it is based, as SOG said, on a late in life fear of death - whether he believes in an afterlife or not. I can't presume to know what is in his mind, so I'll take him at his word that he does not believe in an afterlife.
You venture to grasp straws where no straws lie. If he truly did have a fear of death then he would embrace the idea of an afterlife to go along with whatever concept of God he has. Accepting that there is a "super-intelligence" will not save him from death if on the other hand he rejects the idea that an afterlife exists. So where is your reasoning that his change of mind is out of fear of death? This would be like if someone were in fear of being hurt in a car accident and so for comfort they got their car painted. Does that make sense? Do you look at someone getting their car painted and think, "hmm, he's probably afraid of getting into a car accident"? I wouldn't. If Flew has a fear of death then he would at least embrace a personal God and he would definitely not reject the concept of an afterlife. If his position change was due to old age you would think that it would be a bit more drastic.
 
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