Is sexuality a choice?

Dan Mellis · Aug 8, 2019

KenS said:
Not at all... I simply quoted. Ignoring real science is a flat-earth mentality.

Let me try this.

1.AIDS is caused by unprotected sex with someone with AIDs

2. Unprotected sex can be (but not necessarily is) between two men.

3. Gay sex is harmful.

That is your argument, and it is invalid.

My argument is:

1. AIDs is caused by unprotected sex with someone with AIDs.

2. Both gay and straight people can have AIDs

3. Unprotected sex can, but not necessarily will, spread AIDs.

4. Gay sex is not in and of itself harmful, otherwise straight sex is also harmful.

Kenny · Aug 8, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
Are you suggesting that people with aids intend to catch it? Of course catching aids is an accident. Gay sex isn't, but neither is crossing a road. Nobody chooses to get hit by a car.

Just using your logic.... you are the one that suggested crossing the road analogy.

Kenny · Aug 8, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
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No, you quoted from a single source and applied it using a biased and flawed logic.

Yknow, the same as how flat earthers use the fact that you can't see the curve to suggest that there isn't one.

Would you like more sources? have you even bothered to look it up?

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Hawkins said:
By God's Law it's a sin. That is, if you have to be a sinner (well all of us are sinners from a certain perspective), you need to repent instead of legalize what you are doing.

... It's still a sin under God's Law.

Not everyone follows that God or even believes in him, or this so-called sin. I certainly don't, so for me there's no sin. I believe in God, but certainly not one who makes "laws" and is concerned about whom I love and/or sleep with. I should think he'd have more important things to do running the universe.

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Israel Khan said:
I also think that homosexuality is a psychological or genetic disorder as the sexual orientation conflicts with what their body was "designed" for.

Is it a psychological or genetic disorder when a woman performs fellatio on a man? The mouth and the penis were certainly "not designed" for that, were they? Or howzbout anal sex, which is common between men and women? Is that a psychological or genetic disorder?

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
Karma is the same as divine retribution

That's another one of those concepts that was unfortunately co-opted and corrupted by the west and its New Age silliness. That is to say, that's not at all what karma is.

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Amanaki said:
But an atheist mostly can do what they wish without getting punished by a God.
Only those who choose to follow a religion must follow the law within the chosen belief

Hinduism has no such laws or beliefs, we do not believe any God/dess metes out punishment. In fact, there's no law or commandment given by any God/dess to be punished for breaking. The same applies to Paganism and Heathenry. It's only the Abrahamic religions that have such legalistic beliefs. So please do not speak for all religions.

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

HonestJoe said:
Homosexuality doesn’t equal anal sex. Plenty of homosexuals don’t engage in anal sex at all

Thank you! This is a point that perplexes me to the nth degree... why is anal sex such a fixation and rallying point for those opposed to homosexuality? These people need to stop watching xtube and tumblr videos.

Cooky · Aug 8, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
Let me try this.

1.AIDS is caused by unprotected sex with someone with AIDs

2. Unprotected sex can be (but not necessarily is) between two men.

3. Gay sex is harmful.

That is your argument, and it is invalid.

My argument is:

1. AIDs is caused by unprotected sex with someone with AIDs.

2. Both gay and straight people can have AIDs

3. Unprotected sex can, but not necessarily will, spread AIDs.

4. Gay sex is not in and of itself harmful, otherwise straight sex is also harmful.

I heard AIDS started from beastiality with Orangutans and chimps.

...So is AIDS caused by beastiality?

Cause I know some people have that kind of sexuality too.

History of zoophilia - Wikipedia

Evangelicalhumanist · Aug 8, 2019

Samana Johann said:
Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's? As for rapes there are at least protective laws.

Maybe try to claim and blame a god, tv or your parents, neighbors or your objects... but again, ones choices are ones own. Good and bad like a like

There's no "forced by desire" involved. Sex is pleasurable, and enjoying it is no different than enjoying reading, or a beautiful piece of music.

Spirit of Light · Aug 8, 2019

Jainarayan said:
Hinduism has no such laws or beliefs, we do not believe any God/dess metes out punishment. In fact, there's no law or commandment given by any God/dess to be punished for breaking. The same applies to Paganism and Heathenry. It's only the Abrahamic religions that have such legalistic beliefs. So please do not speak for all religions.

I did not speak for all religious people, but as i said, MOST religions have a form of view on this topic

Samael_Khan · Aug 8, 2019

Jainarayan said:
Is it a psychological or genetic disorder when a woman performs fellatio on a man? The mouth and the penis were certainly "not designed" for that, were they? Or howzbout anal sex, which is common between men and women? Is that a psychological or genetic disorder?

Not the same thing. When a woman performs fellatio on a man, that does not mean is not able to eat. Men having anal sex with women does not mean that they arent able to do the same in womens vaginas and create a child. If those actions are substitued for the acts those things are designed for and prevents people from doing those things then it is a psychological or genetic disorder. Homosexuality prevents the homosexual from doing the actions that their genitals and hormones were designed for, especially with men. Women will not seek a male to procreate with naturally and a man cant seek a female or get an erection to conceive a child with her. Therefore I would say that it is a disorder.

What you are making me think though, is that bisexuality might not fall into the disorder category, because it doesnt prevent the bisexual from doing what their organs were meant to do.

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Israel Khan said:
Not the same thing. When a woman performs fellatio on a man, that does not mean is not able to eat. Men having anal sex with women does not mean that they arent able to do the same in womens vaginas and create a child. If those actions are substitued for the acts those things are designed for and prevents people from doing those things then it is a psychological or genetic disorder. Homosexuality prevents the homosexual from doing the actions that their genitals and hormones were designed for, especially with men. Women will not seek a male to procreate with naturally and a man cant seek a female or get an erection to conceive a child with her. Therefore I would say that it is a disorder.

What you are making me think though, is that bisexuality might not fall into the disorder category, because it doesnt prevent the bisexual from doing what their organs were meant to do.

Evangelicalhumanist · Aug 8, 2019

Landon Caeli said:
I heard AIDS started from beastiality with Orangutans and chimps.

...So is AIDS caused by beastiality?

Cause I know some people have that kind of sexuality too.

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You seem to be a bit confused about the idea of "caused by." AIDS is caused by a virus (HIV) which is transmitted through blood and some other bodily fluids. So any activity that permits the direct exchange of those fluids can transmit the virus from one person (or animal) to another. That includes, of course, penetrative sex, or sharing needles.

So bestiality, homosexuality and heterosexuality do not "cause" AIDS. Only some sexual acts with an already infected individual causes AIDS.

Jainarayan · Aug 8, 2019

Amanaki said:
but as i said, MOST religions have a form of view on this topic

Hinduism?
Buddhism?
Sikhism?
Jainism?
Continental Germanic Paganism?
Heathenry?
Ásatrú?
Forn Sed?
Celtic Paganism?
Rodnovery?
Daoism?
Shinto?
Yoruba?

In fact, all the polytheistic religions I'm aware of and know something about have no such views. But, the monotheistic religions do.

firedragon · Aug 8, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
Scripture tells me nothing. Fundamentalist Christians have, however, claimed AIDS as divine retribution on multiple occasions.

So you called God an animal with a low I.Q because of what some people told you!

Its completely irrelevant.

thanks and peace.

Saint Frankenstein · Aug 8, 2019

Landon Caeli said:
I heard AIDS started from beastiality with Orangutans and chimps.

Total racist garbage. Orangutans aren't even from Africa. SIV jumped to humans and mutated into HIV due to the practices of hunting and eating bushmeat. This continued exposure to the infected blood of the chimps and monkeys introduced it to the human body. HIV is primarily a blood-borne disease, not an STD, after all.

Spirit of Light · Aug 8, 2019

Jainarayan said:
Hinduism?
Buddhism?
Sikhism?
Jainism?
Continental Germanic Paganism?
Heathenry?
Ásatrú?
Forn Sed?
Celtic Paganism?
Rodnovery?
Daoism?
Shinto?
Yoruba?

In fact, all the polytheistic religions I'm aware of and know something about have no such views. But, the monotheistic religions do.

Well, Buddhism does not call it a sin, but the moral decline of humans. Some of the religions/spiritual paths you mention i have not heard of. In buddhism, one should not do sexual misconduct, and many do actually see this to contain homosexuality too, (not all see it this way)
But if you see it as normal then i should not judge you or other with your view.

Saint Frankenstein · Aug 8, 2019

Jainarayan said:
Hinduism?
Buddhism?
Sikhism?
Jainism?
Continental Germanic Paganism?
Heathenry?
Ásatrú?
Forn Sed?
Celtic Paganism?
Rodnovery?
Daoism?
Shinto?
Yoruba?

In fact, all the polytheistic religions I'm aware of and know something about have no such views. But, the monotheistic religions do.

I love how you listed 4 different types of Germanic polytheism but didn't list Greek polytheism at all, when they praised male homosexuality more than almost any other culture. Tsk tsk.

Rival · Aug 8, 2019

Saint Frankenstein said:
Total racist garbage. Orangutans aren't even from Africa. SIV jumped to humans and mutated into HIV due to the practices of hunting and eating bushmeat. This continued exposure to the infected blood of the chimps and monkeys introduced it to the human body. HIV is primarily a blood-borne disease, not an STD, after all.

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