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Is premarital sex moral or immoral?

9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Spartan said:
Show me where the Lord commanded them to do that?
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In the following Chapter, it describes Ananais and Sapphira being struck down (apparently by God) when they try to avoid going along with this communal ownership scheme of the early Christians.

... though the whole thing kinda goes against Jesus's command to his disciples where he told them to go out into the world with nothing but a begging bowl and the clothes on their backs. If you have no property in the first place, how can you give your property to the commune?
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
loverofhumanity said:
It’s immoral for a reason or many reasons some of which I clearly gave. Childrens upbringing is disrupted. Disunity prevails and the rights of the child to a stable home with parents is denied.
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That's what can happen when couples are pressured by Bahai ideas about what is 'moral'.
I've told you before about a Bahai couple who were plactonic until after marriage. The by then pregnant wife left the husband, telling stories about 'what he had wanted'. The resulting baby grew up isolated from her father, in a disrupted household. Disunity affected her, obviously.

It’s also immoral,because the purpose of sex is abused and only pursued for pleasure instead of its real purpose which is to create a stable family life and home so the next generation can fulfil its potential.
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Dreadful and wicked propaganda, that is. Stops a couple enjoying their love, leaving them feeling guilty because it was fun.
And there are too many children in this World, and so if a couple decides not to have children then they should be supported.

When sex is used like a hit and run Casanova it leaves behind it the wreckage of a dysfunctional and unstable life for the child which are the victims of this immorality which only seeks pleasure without responsibility.
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Bahais can divorce a run quite easily.
With one cheap and very false analogy you make unmarried couples seem bad and wrong.
Bahai dominance and pressurising of couples is just another reason to warn the World of its stuffy and dangerous ideas.
And LGBTQA partnerships don't even get a look in with your religion, let alone their marriages.
It's all wicked domination imo.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Spartan said:
Nuts.

The Bible says a man shall reap what he sows, not what other people show. It says he shall have his own vineyard. In addition, socialism is based in envy for other people's goods. The 10th Commandment says you shall not covet what belongs to your neighbor.

Besides, socialism doesn't work. And liberals are too ate up with stupidity to know that.
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lol Good luck with that. Ask the folks in the other first world countries. They love it.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Spartan said:
Zacharias promised to give half, and Jesus said, "Today, salvation has come to this household."

It's a matter of not making money an idol, like the rich man had done in your posting.

Who do you give your money to, the devil?
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oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Spartan said:
"Although giving and charity are commanded by the Lord, nowhere in the Bible does it say that giving must first be filtered through a bloated and inefficient government bureaucracy. The Bible says that a man shall reap what he sows, but it doesn’t say we should live off of what other people sow." Obama vs. the Bible – Redistribution of Wealth
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No.
It's not 'Giving', nor 'Charity'.
It's a direct order to support any needy or poor folks.
It's all there in the Mosaic Laws for you to read and obey.

Why do rich fat Christians ignore these direct orders?
Careless? Greedy?

THE POOR!
Well-to-do are required to lend to the poor (Ex. 22:24)
Neighbours must help each other with difficult labours (Ex.23:5)
Not to demand from a poor man repayment of his debt, when the
creditor knows that he cannot pay, nor press him (Ex.22:24)
Not to exact a pledge from a debtor by force (Deut. 24:10)
Not to keep the pledge (tools etc) from its owner at the time when he needs it (Deut. 24:12)
Not to refrain from making a loan to a poor man, because of the
release of loans in the Sabbatical year (Deut. 15:9)
Not to take a pledge from a widow (Deut. 24:17)
Leave corners of fields and orchards for the poor (Lev.19:9 Lev. 23:22)
Do not gather gleanings but leave them for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
Not to gather single grapes from the ground (Lev.19:10)
The second tithes in the 3rd and 6th sabbatical years are for the poor (Deut. 14:28-29)
Payed up or not, debts will be layed aside in the seventh year (Deut. 15:2)
Wealthy are obliged to subsidise a poor man (Deut. 15:7)
Everybody must support the poor according to their means (Deut. 15:11)
Forgotten sheaves or fruit must be left for the poor (Deut. 24:19 -20)
Imperfect vines of grapes to be left for the poor (Lev.19:10 Deut. 24:21))
Don't demand or force a debt be repayed if the poor can't pay (Ex.22:24 Deut. 24:10)
Not to loan by pledge upon cooking pots, tools, etc (Deut.24:6)
Lenders may not keep pledged tools if the owner needs them for work (Deut. 24:12)
Lend to widows pledge free (Deut. 24:17)
Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21)
Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22)
Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19)
....and.....This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man (Deut. 15:7)

it doesn’t say we should live off of what other people sow."
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Oh yes it does!
Some Christians do tend to cherry pick the bits that they like.

Deut. 24:19 -20
Lev.19:10
Deut. 24:21
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Spartan said:
Zacharias promised to give half, and Jesus said, "Today, salvation has come to this household."

It's a matter of not making money an idol, like the rich man had done in your posting.

Who do you give your money to, the devil?
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Just read and obey the poor laws.
:shrug:
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
Kangaroo Feathers said:
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Those toy cars are real cars that have been shrunk down using the same process that Trump used on his rational thought, compassion and humility.

The process was accidentally discovered by a team of researchers that Trump had working to solve his problem of, uh hmmm, shall we say, "small hands".
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
Spartan said:
Sure, and as for you, just learn how people are saved - by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and NOT BY WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-9).
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I've heard this one before. It always comes off sounding like some kind of loophole for Christians to maintain atrocious behavior and still claim the high moral ground. Just because good works do not save you, does not mean that you are not supposed to do them.
 
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