Agreed on that. Otherwise its just some sexular morality nonsense.
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Because Pastors Know So Much About Sex
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What "complexity and nuance? Everything is complex and nuanced if you go into it in depth.
What sort of 'sex education' do you fear under 13 year olds won't be able to handle, and where are you getting a pedo vibe?
Of course a child's ability to reason, extrapolate, abstract, or see complex interactions is immature, but should we wait till someone is 25 to send them to school?
You teach at whatever level an individual can handle.
Should we pussyfoot around other subjects -- history, math, music, social studies?
Why is sex in a class alone?
Treat sex as forbidden and naturally kids are going to be titillated by it. They'll grow up obsessive, inhibited and neurotic. Treat is as just another mundane facet of life and they'll be well adjusted and won't be posting their puritanical fears and neuroses on social forums.
As stated above. Anatomy, biological functions, birth control/contraceptives, safe sex practices, and STDs.
Because this topic comes up once a month from different members. Usually advocating for children under 13 should be able to learn about advanced sex education. Let the kids be kids. Once childhood is gone it's gone forever. Let em enjoy it til at least 16 is all I ask.
No 16+ would be ready for a more advanced sex ed course.
But 13 and under could be dangerous.
Because math, science, music, and SS can't irreversible damage a young person psyche.
Subduction Zone
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What would "advanced" sex education cover, that could irreducibly damage the psyche of a 13 y/o? What horrible realization could bring his childhood innocence to an end?
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Pardon my ignorance but how exactly is a young person’s psyche irreversibly damaged by learning about sex, specifically?
And should every kid who accidentally walked in on their parents go straight to therapy?
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Anything more advanced than what I listed earlier. In the words of the OP.
Schools have no business teaching anything further than the basic biological function anatomy etc that I've already listed.
Anything more advanced than what I listed earlier. In the words of the OP.
Schools have no business teaching anything further than the basic biological function anatomy etc that I've already listed.
Go talk to anyone sexual abused as a child.
Your example is just one of those things that happens. It's up to the parents of that child to explain to whatever degree they feel is necessary.
But that's completely different than a school teaching sex ed. Which beyond the the basic topics I've listed a thousand times on this thread, is not the schools responsibility, nor should it be.
I am one such person, actually.
Err, well this is awkward.
And it’s a little insulting to equate learning sex with actual sexual abuse, quite frankly. But whatever.
You know, ironically enough, teaching sex Ed to young children is often done in an attempt to prevent sexual abuse. By teaching concepts such as consent, why orgasms do not indicate guilt etc.
The schools responsibility is to produce productive healthy (enough) stable human beings. Part of that is actually a healthy knowledge of sex. Especially in today’s world of trying to traverse the increasingly confusing “rules of engagement” in relationships.
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Anything more advanced than what I listed earlier. In the words of the OP.
Schools have no business teaching anything further than the basic biological function anatomy etc that
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Well, considering that many tropical peoples walked around naked all the time, and that kids of all ages witnessed sex play routinely without apparent trauma, this terrible truth must be something invisible to primitives, perhaps the endocrinology involved in arousal, menstruation or pregnancy; or maybe embryology -- or would these fall under "science" and thus be harmless?
Speaking of science, what about the ontologic shock of relativity, or ... gasp! ... quantum mechanics?
Why is it that kids can freely watch murder and mayhem all day on TV, but never a bared breast?
So why is it the business of schools to teach reading, social studies, history or math? Shouldn't the parents teach these?
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But parents don't teach sex or sexuality to their kids. They probably don't know much about it themselves, or they have hang-ups from their own from lack of sex ed -- which they'll pass on to their own kids if the subject isn't normalized in school.
Not insulting at all. I am a victim as well which is why I am so adamant about protecting children.
I never advocated for no sex ed. Just a basic sex ed using science. Anatomy, biology, safe sex, birth control, STDs.
That's my goal as well.
Primitive people operate under a different psychology than civilized people. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Meh that's just conjecture. It's true to some degree, some parents won't teach about sex. But that's why we have sex ed at school.
It does seem unusual. Schools are not in the morality business. Those churches ought to have their own sex ed programs where they may include a moral aspect.
sooda
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Sex is fun,,,, even for Christians.
sooda
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Well I understand you reaction. I’m all for protecting children. I don’t think many on this board would disagree with such a goal.
I also don’t think anyone here is necessarily campaigning for sex ed to include a how to guide on like fisting or something.
I mean, people are free to correct me if I’m wrong of course.
But a basic biological approach done too late doesn’t protect children. It merely shields them, which is not always the same thing.
A young child should be taught how to spot manipulation tactics and a school is the perfect place to do it. A neutral spot to teach everyone how to arm themselves against predators is a needed public service, as far as I’m concerned. Be proactive and arm children with defensive weapons instead of keeping them in the dark. Because who knows when a child might need a sword (to stretch a metaphor as far as I can.)
You can call it life skills if that makes you feel any better
My school actually did have a life skills class, fun fact.
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"Good grief?! You think parents are doing a good job teaching their children about reproduction and sexuality?
That hasn't been my experience.
sooda
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Do you have children? I am older than dirt and my parents taught us. I raised 5 and we taught them.