I have known Christians who believe in the 'once saved, always saved' stupidity. However bad they are after asking Jesus into their lives, they belief they are destined for heaven. Some of them cheated on their partners and their business dealings were less than honest.
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Only the 'saved' will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have known Christians who believe in the 'once saved, always saved' stupidity. However bad they are after asking Jesus into their lives, they belief they are destined for heaven. Some of them cheated on their partners and their business dealings were less than honest.
Unguru
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Unguru
I am a Sikh nice to meet you
Ever thought of trying to help them out? they are your friends after all.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Practices that cause psychological trauma in children, isn't "funny" either.
Yet, your reply to that last post was apparantly to rate it as "funny".
Ok then.
Good talk.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Sure whatever you say
You might want to google "Religious Trauma Syndrome".
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
The OP doesn't mention anything about what the deathbed person believed.
The Scripture says we must believe the gospel and be baptized into Christ. The gospel is preached in the Scripture, and baptism is the first act of faith of the believer.
Preaching to someone a false gospel gives them a false hope.and a false hope doesn't save them.
A person who believed the true gospel and was baptized is cleansed of their past sins.
There is no 'true' gospel it is all a matter of belief, not fact.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
The more extreme Christians who espouse the unpleasant, you must be 'saved' dogma, believe that if you ask the long dead Jesus to come into you heart you will get into heaven, and everyone else, however good or decent, will end up in the fires of hell. So in theory someone as evil as Hitler could make a deathbed conversion and go to heaven. Whereas a person who has spent there life helping others, but is not 'saved', will go to hell. CRAZY OR WHAT?
It's rather creepy when fundamental beliefs of Christianity are seen as "extreme."
These views are "extreme" to a secularist, but they aren't extreme to mainstream
Christianity; the bible or those who lived with the "long dead Jesus."
You don't have to agree with these views in our drug addled and adulterous world,
but you can't call them "crazy."
I can call them crazy if they are abusive to others, which often they are.
Audie
Veteran Member
Such a clever pun.
Easier to say than "Pascal's wager" too!whatever should I do?
As for me, I probably am done for, as I
persist in going about with my hair uncovered,
and according to Islam, for that I will someday
be very sorry. Hanging by my hair in eternal fire...
Whatever shall I do?
islamic hell - Google Search:
Such a clever pun.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
It doesn't matter what the person believed before converting to christianity.
Isn't the whole concept of being "saved" that you are forgiven?
Yes, so?
What false gospel / hope?
We are merely talking about the concept of a "death bed conversion".
ie, getting baptised, repenting, accepting Jesus as personal saviour etc.
What's the problem?
Are you saying that this can't be done?
Right, so exactly like the OP mentioned then......
If Adolf Hitler near the end of the war in his bunker in Berlin suddenly "sees the truth", gets baptized, repents, accepts jesus,... and thus goes through a genuine conversion, then his past sins would be erased / cleansed and the dude will then be saved / safe, right?
So what are you arguing about, really?
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
The more extreme Christians who espouse the unpleasant, you must be 'saved' dogma, believe that if you ask the long dead Jesus to come into you heart you will get into heaven, and everyone else, however good or decent, will end up in the fires of hell. So in theory someone as evil as Hitler could make a deathbed conversion and go to heaven. Whereas a person who has spent there life helping others, but is not 'saved', will go to hell. CRAZY OR WHAT?
The RCC doctrine that God demoniacally tortures billions of immortal spirits for all eternity in a blazing sea of perpetual fire is a Satanic Antichrist mendacity that defames God. As a God of justice and love, he would never create such a vicious and barbaric realm much less prescribe infinite punishment for a finite crime no matter how wicked.
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Where exactly is this taught explicitly in the Bible?
He was a fundamentalist Christian.
I find this curious. Why does someone need statistics when there is more than ample testimonies of people as powerful evidence of those who have been traumatized by being indoctrinating in youth with terroristic threats of hell and damnation. I was a moderator on a site for recovering Christians for a decade, as well as participating in local support groups for former-fundamentalists. The pattern is the same for most everyone breaking free from such systems of fear.
The "anger" you see is part of the healing process. It's a normal part of the grieving process. Yes, I agree with you that ultimately judging their beliefs does you more harm, but as one is in the process of healing, to be able to vent their displeasure at what was done to them is towards the goal of reclaiming their own power, which had been taken from them through such manipulations of their fears. Wisdom sees that as a necessary stage of healing. Ultimately, that needs to be let go off, as it will eat you alive from the inside otherwise.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
My conclusion is different:
It is not God who insists on that ... it is a sick human mind who invented that, hence I discard that God (as in false fantasy) ... I don't discard God
The more extreme Christians who espouse the unpleasant, you must be 'saved' dogma, believe that if you ask the long dead Jesus to come into you heart you will get into heaven, and everyone else, however good or decent, will end up in the fires of hell. So in theory someone as evil as Hitler could make a deathbed conversion and go to heaven. Whereas a person who has spent there life helping others, but is not 'saved', will go to hell. CRAZY OR WHAT?
you're confusing two things. god didn't insist that an extreme christian did. so you're suggesting extreme christian's are psychopaths? in actuality they're more likely to be sociopaths
Thief
Rogue Theologian
that was quite a leap you madeCRAZY OR WHAT?
taking the 'crazy' things people say about God
and stuffing them into God's mouth
but I have a thread somewhere....Is God Insane?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Teresa of Kolkata. Corrected the spelling in my post #23.
The Church of Later Day Saints can save a person soul even after his/her death. There could be other denominations too doing this.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Even Jesus said that just one among a thousand will go to heaven. Heaven cannot accommodate billions upon billions. They do not have the infrastructure.
27. "Look," says the Teacher, "this is what I have discovered: "Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things - 28.while I was still searching but not finding - I found one [upright] man among a thousand, but not one [upright] woman among them all. 29. This only have I found: God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes."- Ecclesiastes 7
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