Why is Islam so dangerous?

Notanumber said:

I recognised some that were on that list but most do not get reported by the MSM.

We have seen much more coverage of New Zealand than we ever did of Sri Lanka.

Why don’t CAIR and these Muslim Councils use some of their financial resources to provide similar lists of all these “Christian Atrocities”?

If they have, please post a link and we can compare them.

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Why? Do you think a list of Christian atrocities would be helpful or just more of the same garbage?

Historically Jews were sometimes accused of killing Gentile infants....

Jews Eat Babies - dailykos.com
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/6/5/343448/-
Moreover, they eat Christian babies. And Muslim babies too. The jury is still out on whether they eat Jewish babies, but I wouldn't be surprised.

sooda said:

Nabeel Qureshi was an American Christian and convert from the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. He was a speaker with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries from 2013 until 2016 and the author of three books, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus: A Devout Muslim Encounters Christianity, Answering Jihad: A Better Way Forward, and No God But One—Allah or Jesus.

He's writing books and making money dissing Islam and interpreting it for you. He's a punk.

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Seems like all he did was change the racket from preaching for a religion to preaching against one.

Shad said:

Seems like all he did was change the racket from preaching for a religion to preaching against one.

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Look at the hate mongers.. Brigitte Gabriel, Spencer, Horowitz, etc.... Hate sells.

sooda said:

Look at the hate mongers.. Brigitte Gabriel, Spencer, Horowitz, etc.... Hate sells.

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Sure. I do wonder if it sells as well as we think.

Shad said:

Sure. I do wonder if it sells as well as we think.

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From what I see on the internet I think it does … look at all the half wit "experts" Fox News has trotted out for 20 years.

sooda said:

From what I see on the internet I think it does … look at all the half wit "experts" Fox News has trotted out for 20 years.

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I was talking about those specific people mentioned and their income. It is one thing to sell a few books. It is another to sell millions upon millions. A Song of Fire and Ice has sold 24 million copies for example. Are any of those people listed even close to a million sold? Do consider niche topics and markets.

*clarification

Niche markets have a customer base that is limited but often dedicated in a hobby and/or desire manner. The rarity of a product can drive the niche customer base buy any/all products due to a desire based supply shortage. Often the quality of the product is ignored for the sake of the desire and emotional satisfaction. Obvious confirmation bias comes into play depends on content of the product. So an industry, or sector of, could look like it is doing great but it's market share is actually really low. Dedicated customers vs increasing the customer base.

Ancient Soul said:

What's the matter, you don't like it when people won't buy into your bigoted hate speeches?
Here, I'll give you a link of the mass killings in America. Now tell me how many of the killers were Muslims:
http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

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No problem, but I think you failed at your own game.
I followed the list that you provided with the question at the end:
"Now tell me how many of the killers were Muslims?"
It looks like you're assuming none of the killers are Muslims, is that right?.
Well, you're wrong.
It didn't take me long to find out that at least 4 of those incidents were executed by Muslim jihadists.
What a surprise!
Let's review them:
49 killed, 58 injured in Orlando nightclub shooting.
The shooter, Omar Mateen (a 29-year-old Radical Islamist)
The son of Afghan parents killed 49 people and wounded 58 others in a mass shooting at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, on June 12, 2016.
Who was Omar_Mateen
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14 killed, 22 injured: San Bernardino, Calif. by a Muslim couple (Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik)
Who were Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik?
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5 killed, 3 injured: Chattanooga, Tenn. (Muslim, Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24 from Kuwait)
What we know about the gunman in Chattanooga attack
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13 killed, 32 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas (Muslim, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan)
Who was Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan

Ancient Soul said:

And here's a couple of lists of the blood soaked Christian history:
Killings for Christianity
Christian Atrocities | Victims of Christianity | Catholic Church Inquisition | Crusades

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Let me remind you that we are not having a History discussion here.
The thread title is "Why is Islam so dangerous?"
That means today, present day and time.
We are not engaging in a historical comparison of violence by religions.
The scriptures are ok to be analyzed because they could be the source of the violence

Ancient Soul said:

And here's a homicide list for the U.S.:
United States of America Number of homicides, 2000-2018 - knoema.com
Now tell me how many of the murders were done by Muslims?

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You don't have a clue.
Most of the crimes in the US are not committed in the name of Christianity as you try to imply.
Most of them were committed by westerners because the US is a western country and the majority of the people are white westerners.
The opposite happens in any Muslim country where the majority of the crimes are committed by Muslims.
I don't see what that proves.
The bottom line is that the overwhelming majority of crimes committed in the name of a religion are committed by Muslims in the name of Islam.
That's today's reality and you again failed to prove against it.

Notanumber said:

The site that you linked to is obviously impartial. You must believe it is as well or you would not have linked to it.

Both the Christians and Islamists have a despicable history, which cannot be denied.

I doubt very much that any recent pope or modern Catholicism would wish to revisit those dreadful times. Modern Islamism still has the same aims and ambitions of its founder Muhammad.

Thank you for the link.

This is an excerpt.

Everyone should support a "War on Islamism"
Nobody should support a war on Islam, but everybody should support a war on Islamism.

Islamism is not simply a religious philosophy that one is free not to follow. Islamism is a political movement that aims to impose itself by force on those who disagree. Islamism aims to impose religious Sharia Law on the whole world, ending human rights and civil liberties, ending freedom of religion, ending freedom of speech, and ending freedom of sexuality. Islamism threatens us and everything we love, and will always threaten us, until it is defeated. A War on Islamism is something that every Christian, Jew, atheist, Hindu or other infidel should support. A War on Islamism is something that every freedom-loving Muslim should support. Islamism - or any other philosophy that imposes religion by force - should have no place in our world. A War on Islamism is a no-brainer, like a War on Fascism. Every liberal and every leftist should support a War on Islamism.

• The British novelist Ian McEwan caused a storm in 2008 by saying: "I myself despise Islamism, because it wants to create a society that I detest, based on religious belief, on a text, on lack of freedom for women, intolerance towards homosexuality and so on".
• Incredibly, many people were outraged by this. But every single person in the West should agree with this. Every Muslim in the West should agree with this.

Islamic Fascism

Ian McEwan: Criticising Islam is not racist

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WOSH!

Did you hear that?

That WOSH noise was everything I stated going right over your bigoted head.

I got a LAUGH at how quickly you dismissed how Christianity is even worse than Islam/Muslims, because the majority or Christians are mostly "white", then shoot back with this hate filled white supremacist propaganda rant.

Yawn...

You need to understand that I am a very spiritual person. I see the world as it is, and am not swayed by hate filled propaganda. I see NONE of this happening in America, so am so NOT buying into your white supremacist propaganda. People are all the same to me, I take them for what they really are, not what others claim they are. And no Muslims are doing anything to force me in any way. Nor do I know of no incidents where Muslims are forcing anyone to believe in their mythology. But I DO know that lots of hate driven bigots are always threatening, attacking, killing, and burning/defacing their mosques, etc, all because of hate filled rants like what you posted to me.

Here's how I see it. I take people for who they really are. If they are good people I will be friendly with them. If they are disagreeable in some way, I will simply avoid them. As hate is poison to the mind and to the soul. So I will spend every day trying to get the most out of this grand adventure called life. I will not get sucked down into hating anyone or any group of people. You can consume your life letting your hatred poison you over this stupid issue. While I will be spending my days out hiking with my dog exploring the woods or otherwise enjoying my life. In the end we'll see who had the best life.

Raymann said:

No problem, but I think you failed at your own game.
I followed the list that you provided with the question at the end:
"Now tell me how many of the killers were Muslims?"
It looks like you're assuming none of the killers are Muslims, is that right?.
Well, you're wrong.
It didn't take me long to find out that at least 4 of those incidents were executed by Muslim jihadists.
What a surprise!

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Ha, ha, ha...

And THAT yet again proves my point!

You take >4< out of all the rest of the list of mass shootings and try making ALL Muslims out as evil because of the measly >4<.

You make it soooo easy!

So what about the MAJORITY of the mass shooting sprees?

WHY aren't you ranting and raving about what THEY did?

Raymann said:

Let me remind you that we are not having a History discussion here.
The thread title is "Why is Islam so dangerous?"
That means today, present day and time.
We are not engaging in a historical comparison of violence by religions.
The scriptures are ok to be analyzed because they could be the source of the violence

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Ha, ha, ha... again.

Funny how you come up with a lame excuse to dismiss the WHITE Christian's blood soaked history, when you find it convenient to dredge up the Muslim's history in spewing out your bigoted hatred of them:

"Yes, they do.
Muslims have done mass murders very often throughout history.
Not very long ago ISIS and Boko Haram have done it a few times.
How about the Armenian Genocide (1.5 million Armenians killed)
Doesn't that qualify as mass murder to you?"

So WHY do you hold Muslims accountable for mass killings, and let the far worse Christians off the hook?

Raymann said:

You don't have a clue.
Most of the crimes in the US are not committed in the name of Christianity as you try to imply.
Most of them were committed by westerners because the US is a western country and the majority of the people are white westerners.
The opposite happens in any Muslim country where the majority of the crimes are committed by Muslims.
I don't see what that proves.
The bottom line is that the overwhelming majority of crimes committed in the name of a religion are committed by Muslims in the name of Islam.
That's today's reality and you again failed to prove against it.

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You make me LAUGH yet again!

You are avoiding my question of:

"Now tell me how many of the murders were done by Muslims?"

Now if Muslims are so evil as you claim, then HOW MANY OF THE MURDERERS who committed murders in the U.S. were Muslims???!!!

The point is that it is YOU who are clueless.

No one group or nationality of people are any more evil than any other. But some people LOVE to be bigots and fill their minds with hatred over a harmless group or nationality of people. To me that's stupid. I added that list of homicides to show the number of killings in the U.S. every year to TRY making you see that Muslims were not to blame for the vast majority of those killings. So they are NOT as evil as you claim. But I guess bigots cannot or will not see that.

Ancient Soul said:

WOSH!

Did you hear that?

That WOSH noise was everything I stated going right over your bigoted head.

I got a LAUGH at how quickly you dismissed how Christianity is even worse than Islam/Muslims, because the majority or Christians are mostly "white", then shoot back with this hate filled white supremacist propaganda rant.

Yawn...

You need to understand that I am a very spiritual person. I see the world as it is, and am not swayed by hate filled propaganda. I see NONE of this happening in America, so am so NOT buying into your white supremacist propaganda. People are all the same to me, I take them for what they really are, not what others claim they are. And no Muslims are doing anything to force me in any way. Nor do I know of no incidents where Muslims are forcing anyone to believe in their mythology. But I DO know that lots of hate driven bigots are always threatening, attacking, killing, and burning/defacing their mosques, etc, all because of hate filled rants like what you posted to me.

Here's how I see it. I take people for who they really are. If they are good people I will be friendly with them. If they are disagreeable in some way, I will simply avoid them. As hate is poison to the mind and to the soul. So I will spend every day trying to get the most out of this grand adventure called life. I will not get sucked down into hating anyone or any group of people. You can consume your life letting your hatred poison you over this stupid issue. While I will be spending my days out hiking with my dog exploring the woods or otherwise enjoying my life. In the end we'll see who had the best life.

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Islamism is another good term to use to describe Muhammadism and I thank you and your link for that.

We have the responsibility to ask ourselves, "Do we respect Allah enough to question the religious claims of someone who claims to be a prophet of Allah?" Or, must we blindly accept someone's claims to be a prophet. There have been false prophets during the course of world history. So, it is incumbent upon us to investigate the claims of someone who alleges to be a prophet. Since we should investigate the life and claims of alleged prophets, we ought to study the life and claims of Isa ibn Maryam and Muhammad ibn 'Abdullah.

Muhammad, Islam & Christianity — Muhammadanism.org

Education is a marvellous thing.

Are there any countries in today’s world where you can get yourself into serious trouble if you openly question the validity of Christianity or Judaism?

Ancient Soul said:

Ha, ha, ha...
And THAT yet again proves my point!
You take >4< out of all the rest of the list of mass shootings and try making ALL Muslims out as evil because of the measly >4<.

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ONLY FOUR CASES?
Well, let's do the math.
The article that you linked shows 50 cases of mass shootings in the US.
4 of them committed by Muslims, which is 8% of the total cases committed by Muslims in the US.
8 PERCENT, YOU GOT THAT? EIGHT PERCENT.
8% of the cases!!, the problem is that Muslims represent only 1% of the total population of the US.
Even in a small example like this, you can see that Muslims still commit more crimes than ALL OTHER RELIGIONS COMBINED

Ancient Soul said:

You make it soooo easy!
So what about the MAJORITY of the mass shooting sprees?
WHY aren't you ranting and raving about what THEY did?

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We are ranting and raving about the rest of the mass murders that happened in the US, make no mistake about it.
Most of them are committed by lunatics for some personal reasons that don't make a lot of sense.
Others are committed by some frustrated anti-social loners who take it against those who bullied them in school.
What else have we seen? A lot of crazy stuff but I tell you what we haven't seen.
We haven't seen ANY CHRISTIAN BLOWING THEMSELVES UP TO KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
That, we haven't seen.
We haven't seen any Christian killing in the name of Jesus or Christianity.
That, we haven't seen.
We haven't seen Christians decapitating infidels and we haven't seen Christian terrorists for that matter.
That seems to be a Muslim specialty.
What is the equivalent of Jihad in Christianity?
Oh, there is no Jihad in Christianity, thank "God" for that, no pun intended.

Ancient Soul said:

You make me LAUGH yet again!
You are avoiding my question of:
"Now tell me how many of the murders were done by Muslims?"

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I thought we agreed that I answered that question when I found 4 undisputable cases of Muslim jihadist committing mass murders in the name of Islam. Didn't that answer your question directly?
Now, on the other hand, you haven't provided a single case of Christians committing mass murders in the name of Christianity, NOT A SINGLE CASE.
You assume the criminals in the US are Christians but you don't know that for sure
I found 4 cases of Muslims committing the crimes, how many have you found that are Christians?
I don't mean just Christians, I mean Christians committing crimes in the name of Christianity.
I'm waiting for your answer, no hiding behind silly excuses this time.

May I ask you guys something? Is Wikipedia considered a valid source of information here?

Raymann said:

We haven't seen any Christian killing in the name of Jesus or Christianity.
That, we haven't seen.
We haven't seen Christians decapitating infidels and we haven't seen Christian terrorists for that matter.
That seems to be a Muslim specialty.

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I know whatever I am gonna say won't change anyone's mind here. Everyone fights and nobody is really ready to change their minds.

So whatever, I am gonna say my opinion.

I agree that Jihadists do heinous acts in the name of Islam. Yeah, there are people who kill Innocents in the name of Islam. Was it hard for me to say? No, because it's true.

But, saying it's only Islam speciality, that part I don't agree with.

It's because of the media mostly. Whenever an act of terrorism in the name of Islam occurs, it's the whole muslim community who are to blame. But whenever, an act of terrorism in the name of Christianity occurs, it's always "alleged" and nothing to do with Christianity. On the contrary, if I say, those jihadists actions have nothing to do with Islam, who will believe me? no one.

John Earnest, "alleged" synagogue shooter, who "allegedly" went to Church regularly, talks about Christianity, wrote a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God.

So, yeah we have seen which you claim "we haven't seen". Should we blame Christianity for his actions? I don't think so.

I guess you can say, that's just one example against four. As I said, I can't really change anyone's mind. Debate never ends. It's upto you what you want to believe. We see what we want to see really and don't see what we don't want to see.

Notanumber said:

Islamism is another good term to use to describe Muhammadism and I thank you and your link for that.

We have the responsibility to ask ourselves, "Do we respect Allah enough to question the religious claims of someone who claims to be a prophet of Allah?" Or, must we blindly accept someone's claims to be a prophet. There have been false prophets during the course of world history. So, it is incumbent upon us to investigate the claims of someone who alleges to be a prophet. Since we should investigate the life and claims of alleged prophets, we ought to study the life and claims of Isa ibn Maryam and Muhammad ibn 'Abdullah.

Muhammad, Islam & Christianity — Muhammadanism.org

Education is a marvellous thing.

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You could sure use an education.

sooda said:

You could sure use an education.

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Couldn’t we all.

Birmingham Muslim parents withdraw 600 children from Parkfield Community School over LGBT lessons | Daily Mail Online

Notanumber said:

Couldn’t we all.

Birmingham Muslim parents withdraw 600 children from Parkfield Community School over LGBT lessons | Daily Mail Online

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You do know that it is not only Muslims who pull their kids out of classes where this is subject in class? You do know that Muslims are not the only ones who teaches that Homosexuality is unwholesome? But it seems like you guys are so obsessed with hating muslims that you can not see infront of you self that it is actually not uncommon in other parts of the world too.

And lasty, You guys who are so against muslims way of living, calling them extremists and other hatefull words, Do you not see that you are also extremists and do exactly the same fault that some religious people do? Do you not see that the hate you sharing here can only lead to more suffering for you self?

Amanaki said:

Do you not see that the hate you sharing here can only lead to more suffering for you self?

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That sounds like a threat.

Notanumber said:

That sounds like a threat.

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I never threatened anyone, I only ask a question.

Amanaki said:

I never threatened anyone, I only ask a question.

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In what way can it only lead to more suffering for me?