How do we know Krishna, Buddha or Moses existed?

InvestigateTruth · Apr 5, 2019

siti said:
Doesn't this give the lie to your argument though? If there's a span of over 2000 years, according to scholarly opinion, for the time of Krishna's supposed existence, and presumably as long or longer for the writing of stories about him to have accumulated - perhaps from oral traditions that go back even further still...doesn't that suggest that whilst there may have been someone by that name who was an influential person in the field of religion at some point, the accounts about his life, teachings and exploits are not historical but collections of myths?
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It suggests that certainly there was a person by name Krishna, who had claim to be divinely inspired, or as someone supernatural. Certain people have believed in Him. This is how the community of the Hindus was created. I mean the Hindus who believe in Krishna, was created in this manner. Just as how community of Muslims or Bahais was created. Consider the Quran. Did people make that up as a fiction? Or Muhammad told the verses of Quran? Muhammad did. Now, the Quran contains many things that, from your view, is a myth, or fiction. I don't say myth. I call it symbolic expressions and stories. Now, after Muhammad there were 11 imams, who said many Hadithes, if you read, you would see them as fiction. I see them as symbolism. Regardless, I suggest, same with Krishna. The only difference is, sayings of Krishna perhaps were not written during in His time. But, there were people in His time, who truly believed in Him as Manifestation of God. Thus, for them, His words were holy, and for this reason, they cared to preserve them.
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And as for someone in 5000 years doubting the existence of Baha'u'llah, I think anyone who reads the accounts about his life will not need that long to start doubting the historical accuracy - 5 minutes would be more like it.

Ok. That would be your view, and is understandable.

Shantanu · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Why? They have said, they have Spirit or Soul. Their Soul went to heaven after death of body. So, If it is true they survived.

If their souls went to heaven let them live their lives in heaven and leave us mere mortals to fend for ourselves on this Earth to survive here with a good and healthy lifestyle with all the conveniences that makes us happy, including holidays and cars.

MJFlores · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Suppose today, a group of people, come up with a new myth, and make up stories about an Incarnation of God on earth, called 'so and so'. Completely a new One!
Do you really think, people believe it? Wouldn't they question that, if indeed such a Person was on earth and claimed to be a God, how come no body in previous generations knew about Him, or said anything about Him?!

Now, let's talk about, for example if a Person by the name Krishna, did not exist. If indeed He never existed on earth, how would people have started to give away their own beliefs and replace it with a belief in Him, and His stories? Suppose a group of people had come up with a tale, and invented a Person by name of Krishna as incarnation of God. Why would even people of that time, accept that, when none of their grand parents or family or people, ever said such a thing, and all the sudden the story started?!

Now, compare that with for example Bahaullah. None would question His existence. Why? Because, our grand grand parents, or people in that generation had seen Him, and thus His news, was passed on to the next generation. But if He did not exist even, no body would have passed the news from generation to the next. Same must have been with Krishna. Right?

Is Krishna a real person?

By the looks of it, he has serious health issues.
Maybe he has methemoglobinemia.
When was he born, who are his parents?

If he is real, are these deities real too?
Meet the Greek Gods – Rick Riordan

Thanks.

InvestigateTruth · Apr 5, 2019

Shantanu said:
If their souls went to heaven let them live their lives in heaven and leave us mere mortals to fend for ourselves on this Earth to survive here with a good and healthy lifestyle with all the conveniences that makes us happy, including holidays and cars.

Enjoy!

InvestigateTruth · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
Is Krishna a real person?

By the looks of it, he has serious health issues.
Maybe he has methemoglobinemia.
When was he born, who are his parents?

If he is real, are these deities real too?
Meet the Greek Gods – Rick Riordan

Thanks.

Is this a Photo of Krishna?

Vinayaka · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Is this a Photo of Krishna?

Yes, obviously.

Aupmanyav · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
Having stated who God is, he doesn't like to change, to be opaque, to be human, to be visible, to be kill-able and lastly he is not a liar. And as such, people have claimed to be God - a god who spent a miserable 9 month period surrounded in amniotic fluid.

Thanks for the article on amniotic fluid.
Hindu Gods do this because of promises to true worshipers that they will appear as their children. Gods don't refuse the requests or demands of their true worshipers. It is not that every avatara is human. Perhaps you know that the nine avataras show evolution. First the fish, second the tortoise, third the boar, fourth a man-lion, fifth a dwarf. Only the sixth those who follow are fully human - Parashurama (the angry avatara), Rama (the calm avatara), Krishna (the mischeivious avatara) and Buddha (who came to re-awaken 'Dharma').

Shantanu · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Enjoy!

So I should.

Aupmanyav · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Certain people have believed in Him. This is how the community of the Hindus was created.

Investigate Truth, you need to understand this thing. Remove all Gods and Goddesses from Hinduism, Hinduism still stands. What remains is 'dharma' (duties), that is the bed-rock of Hinduism. It is not necessary that every Hindu must accept Krishna. Some accept Shiva or the Mother Goddess as Supreme. Some accept Vedas as Supreme. Gods and Goddesses are not absolutely essential for Hinduism. It is a matter of choice. There have always been non-theistic Hindu philosophies or beliefs. Find out about 'Nirishwaravada in Samkhya', or 'Purva Mimamsa' or the atomic theory of Sage, Kanada 'Visheshika'. My belief is 'Advaita' (non-duality) which denies existence of any God or Goddess, but I am still a staunch Hindu. Atheism is not new to Hinduism. That is why the insistence on One God by Abrahamic religions is quite jarring for us. It is mentioned even in RigVeda, our oldest scripture:

"Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?"
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation., Verse 6.

Thanks.

sayak83 · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
How do we know this? Do people distinguish between fiction and fact now? Do Christians in our modern time, believe resurrection of Jesus is a fiction or fact?

If they easily accepted any beliefs then, why when Jesus came to Jews, they killed Him? Same with Zoroaster. They killed Him too, because He claimed to have a divine revelation.

So، you agree with OP, that Krishma existed as a person?

If you run afoul of the people in power, you get killed.

Aupmanyav · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
Maybe he has methemoglobinemia.

Nothing like that. He was a normal Indian. His skin colour is mentioned as 'ghana-shyama' (dark as a rain-laden cloud). He was dark and dusky.

InvestigateTruth · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
Why would the Almighty God choose to be human?
Would he like to be entomb in the womb for nine months?

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Scriptures tell us, God is a Spirit, not human. But He chooses to manifest Himself from a human, so He may speak with us. When the Body of a Manifestation is in the womb, that does not mean, The Spirit of God is in the womb, because, Spirit of God is infinite, and He is only in connection with this body, not confined within it.

MJFlores · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Is this a Photo of Krishna?

Grabbed it from en.wikipedia

Krishna - Wikipedia

MJFlores · Apr 5, 2019

Aupmanyav said:
Thanks for the article on amniotic fluid.
Hindu Gods do this because of promises to true worshipers that they will appear as their children. Gods don't refuse the requests or demands of their true worshipers. It is not that every avatara is human. Perhaps you know that the nine avataras show evolution. First the fish, second the tortoise, third the boar, fourth a man-lion, fifth a dwarf. Only the sixth those who follow are fully human - Parashurama (the angry avatara), Rama (the calm avatara), Krishna (the mischeivious avatara) and Buddha (who came to re-awaken 'Dharma').

gods? That is kinda complicated.

Your profile says your
Religion:
I am an advaitist Hindu and a strong atheist.
How does a strong atheist come along?

MJFlores · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Scriptures tell us, God is a Spirit, not human. But He chooses to manifest Himself from a human, so He may speak with us. When the Body of a Manifestation is in the womb, that does not mean, The Spirit of God is in the womb, because, Spirit of God is infinite, and He is only in connection with this body, not confined within it.

When I read these words something came up to me.

I don't think the only true God is a pretender.
Or a ventriloquist.
Or a liar.

MJFlores · Apr 5, 2019

Aupmanyav said:
Nothing like that. He was a normal Indian. His skin colour is mentioned as 'ghana-shyama' (dark as a rain-laden cloud). He was dark and dusky.

You know...I hate to break it but Krisha is sick.

He is bluer than blue. A blue baby, very fatal

Blue baby syndrome can also be caused by nitrates in drinking water leading to methemoglobinemia. Nitrates from polluted drinking water form compounds in the body that change haemoglobin to methemoglobin, decreasing the ability of blood to carry oxygen. In infants, the condition can be fatal.
Blue baby syndrome - Wikipedia

He has methemoglobinemia

Methemoglobinemia is commonly caused by exposure to medical substances, such as benzocaine and dapsone, that oxidize hemoglobin to MetHb; exhaust fumes from internal combustion engines; herbicides and pesticides; and chemicals, such as nitrobenzene and aniline [5-11].Nov 1, 2013
Two Cases of Methemoglobinemia Induced by the Exposure to ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3916109/

But if he is not real, then everything is ok.
No cause for panic.

slackercruster · Apr 5, 2019

OP...all fairy tales.

Aupmanyav · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
gods? That is kinda complicated. Your profile says your
Religion: I am an advaitist Hindu and a strong atheist.
How does a strong atheist come along?

It comes along absolutely nicely. 'Advaita', non-duality of all things in the universe, is a valid and popular belief in Hinduism as well as Sikhism (@ManSinha).
He is the first to like my post in reference.
Advaita Vedanta - Wikipedia

Aupmanyav · Apr 5, 2019

MJFlores said:
Two Cases of Methemoglobinemia Induced by the Exposure to Nitrobenzene and Aniline

I know. I am a doctor's son and a doctor's brother and was a medical rep. for part of my life. Even excess carotene can impart a bluish tinge to the skin (carrots, tomatoes). The depicted color is painter's fancy. Krishna was dark and dusky. That is the meaning of even his name (Krishna - Dark). I am sure, you have nothing against dark-skinned people.

lukethethird · Apr 5, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Suppose today, a group of people, come up with a new myth, and make up stories about an Incarnation of God on earth, called 'so and so'. Completely a new One!
Do you really think, people believe it? Wouldn't they question that, if indeed such a Person was on earth and claimed to be a God, how come no body in previous generations knew about Him, or said anything about Him?!

Now, let's talk about, for example if a Person by the name Krishna, did not exist. If indeed He never existed on earth, how would people have started to give away their own beliefs and replace it with a belief in Him, and His stories? Suppose a group of people had come up with a tale, and invented a Person by name of Krishna as incarnation of God. Why would even people of that time, accept that, when none of their grand parents or family or people, ever said such a thing, and all the sudden the story started?!

Now, compare that with for example Bahaullah. None would question His existence. Why? Because, our grand grand parents, or people in that generation had seen Him, and thus His news, was passed on to the next generation. But if He did not exist even, no body would have passed the news from generation to the next. Same must have been with Krishna. Right?

All that is required is literature, no one but the author has to exist, and even then the author can be unknown.

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