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Donald Trump’s Pattern of Deference to the Kremlin Is Clear

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I'm sure there are more than a few U.S. presidents, congressmen, politicians on all sides of the aisle that have had affairs, employed prostitutes, etc. Shall we make a list?

Yes, let's make a list and kick them all out. I mean were you seriously trying to justify his repeated sexual assault?

Also an affair is not the same as his p.... grabbing.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I would like to answer.

If the Mueller report comes out and exonerates Trump of any serious wrongdoing I will be the first to admit that I was wrong all this time. I will admit that I misunderstood and misconstrued the evidence I was presented with. Further I will be forced to reconsider the kind of media that had presented this evidence to me, I will have to reconsider their accuracy and trustworthiness. And I will be forced to look at the pro-Trump news sources in a new light

Is that a good answer? If you find that answer satisfactory then let me ask you this question.

What happens if the Mueller report shows that Trump has betrayed his country and his oath is many serious ways?

Considering the fact that @Stanyon seems to accept that Trump did sexually assault those women but dismisses it as trivial, I think he/she will be a Trump loyalist no matter the outcome of Mueller's investigation.
 

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
Trump is a developer. So what if he is on good terms with Putin. He didn't sell plutonium to the man so he's golden in that regard.
As to the rest, it is utter but typical Left wing slander , fake news, and cowardly desperation yet again demonstrated by bias media. And its fans.
Before any Republican feels concern for this latest bit of work, remember this absolute about Donald J. Trump.

He was investigated, vetted, thoroughly in a background check before being allowed to become a candidate for office.
This is necessary for anyone who presumes to stomp for the nomination to highest office because the security clearance an electe president receives is the highest in American government.

If there was one iota of dirt concerning this Russia nonsense, we wouldn't be having a conversation about president Donald J. Trump.
Furthermore, just for the future record, Hillary R. Clinton will never be elected to highest office. Never.

She knows this. That's why she's not in prison. "Lock her up!"
She will not pass a security clearance check. Comey , who she bought before he "investigated" her illegal basement server and obstruction of justice evidence so that he exhonerated her first and then 'investigated', stated as much during the political circus wherein he was grilled about her actions.
Asked if knowing all that he did about her behavior as SoS would she pass a background check so as to gain a security clearance to work for the FBI. (A lower clearance by far than what the CiC holds)
Comey's response? Probably not.

So next time you read rag-reporting by Leftist yellow journalist outlets remember they're all lying about Trump doing anything illegal prior to entering office. Like this latest is alleging.
He never did!

How do you know that for the fact that it is?
Because he's in the oval office.

That would have never happened had what these Leftist news outlets are reporting now was actually a fact.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Yes, let's make a list and kick them all out. I mean were you seriously trying to justify his repeated sexual assault?
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What sexual assault? I'm sure with all his enemies if he did commit a sexual assault it would have come to light by now.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
What sexual assault? I'm sure with all his enemies if he did commit a sexual assault it would have come to light by now.
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Also an affair is not the same as his p.... grabbing.
And it's pathetic that the only thing that so many Trump defenders can do is to say something akin to "But Johnny did it too!". As a kid, it never worked for me.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I have only one comment:
From Post #22 in Trump's Purpose

I find it quite funny that those that are going hermantile about Russia are the same ones that praised the Obama when he rebuked Romney about his comments about Russia.
They also had no problem when the Obama was real chummy with Russia as he spoke with Medvedve and was caught on an open mike.
They also had no problems with Russian contributions to the Clinton Foundation.
They also had no problem with the Obama not enforcing prohibitions on chemical weapons by Assad
They also had no problem with the Obama canceling U.S. missile defense in Eastern Europe to appease the now evil threatening Russians
They also had no problem with the Obama allowing Russia to sell S-300 air defense systems to Iran
They also had no problem with the Obama inaction on Russia violating the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty

But of course the main reason is that one of their darlings did not win the 2016 election.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
They also had no problem when the Obama was real chummy with Russia as he spoke with Medvedve and was caught on an open mike.
Nice try, but it was Obama who wanted and got sanctions against the Russians while you give Putin a "Get Out of Jail Free" card with your blind support of Trump. Putin just loves people like you, I'm sure.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Nice try, but it was Obama who wanted and got sanctions against the Russians while you give Putin a "Get Out of Jail Free" card with your blind support of Trump. Putin just loves people like you, I'm sure.
Now what do you think that the Obama was referring to when he said he would have more leeway after the election. By any chance was he going to play nice with the Russians?
How about the other issues that I put forward in that post? No comment?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Now what do you think that the Obama was referring to when he said he would have more leeway after the election. By any chance was he going to play nice with the Russians?
How about the other issues that I put forward in that post? No comment?
There's three problems with what you wrote above and one is that we were talking about Trump, not Obama, since the latter is no longer president. Secondly, it is your assumption that what Obama did was somehow shady, seemingly forgetting that often things are better off getting done "after the dust settles".

And thirdly, even if Obama's statement and subsequent action was somehow shady, when does two wrongs make a right? Are you just going to play the "And Johnny did it too!!!" card? It didn't work too well for me when I was a kid.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
There's three problems with what you wrote above and one is that we were talking about Trump, not Obama, since the latter is no longer president. Secondly, it is your assumption that what Obama did was somehow shady, seemingly forgetting that often things are better off getting done "after the dust settles".

And thirdly, even if Obama's statement and subsequent action was somehow shady, when does two wrongs make a right? Are you just going to play the "And Johnny did it too!!!" card? It didn't work too well for me when I was a kid.
No I'm just saying that I did not hear the hysteria when the Obama did or did not do something as compared to now. In other words it seems to me that there are those that look the other way when it came to his actions or inaction's.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No I'm just saying that I did not hear the hysteria when the Obama did or did not do something as compared to now.
You watch Fox and you say that with some of the talking heads there almost jumping out of their skins over Obama? And then there was Trump and his blind supporters who repeatedly were "convinced" that Obama was not an American citizen even after it became clear that he was. Now, would Trump ever lie? :rolleyes:

[yes, I do occasionally watch Fox]
 

esmith

Veteran Member
You watch Fox and you say that with some of the talking heads there almost jumping out of their skins over Obama? And then there was Trump and his blind supporters who repeatedly were "convinced" that Obama was not an American citizen even after it became clear that he was. Now, would Trump ever lie? :rolleyes:

[yes, I do occasionally watch Fox]
Question: Was the hyperbole found on a couple of cable news(?) channels during the Obama years as bad as it is now?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Question: Was the hyperbole found on a couple of cable news(?) channels during the Obama years as bad as it is now?
You never watched Fox in the evening during Obama's presidency? You never heard Trump and his followers say that Obama wasn't even a citizen and that he was undermining the country on his "apology tour" and how he was "cut & run" and not a "true patriot" and "anti-2nd Amendment"? Of course you never would have made any similar statements out of your own "hyperbole", right esmith? :rolleyes:
 
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