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Does the Abrahamic God show much concern for women's equality?

Is the God of Scripture misogynistic?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Not misogynistic in my opinion, but gender biased by today's standards

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other--please explain

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

Spiderman

Veteran Member
One issue that makes the Bible difficult is it felt more and more like a "sausage-fest".

Abraham, Isaac, Noah, Jacob, Moses, Elisha, Isaiah, Ezekial, Elijah, Jonah, Samuel, Solomon, David, and other great figures were male.

The psalms were written by multiple men.

The twelve tribes of Israel were named after:
Asher , Benjamin , Dan , Ephraim , Gad , Issachar , Judah , Manasseh , Naphtali , Reuben , Simeon, Zebulun

Israel is the name of a man. They had an all-male Levitical priesthood.

Jesus chose 12 male Disciples and referred to God as "Father".

If I could heal people, raise the dead, turn water into wine, I'd be trying to impress the ladies, and would prefer twelve hot babes as Apostles rather than guys. :p

Yes, I have considered Queen Esther, but still, the Bible makes a big fuss about the guys usually and there is not one of the 66 books in the Bible that we know of that had a female author.

Even if the culture of the time was misogynistic, there is no reason God has to abide by the errors of the culture. God turned a woman into a pillar of salt, brought about the plagues of Egypt, destroyed cities with fire and brimstone, parted the red sea, commanded all those animals into the Ark, flooded the world, gave the Israelites bread from heaven, brought Elijah to Heaven in a chariot of fire, and so many other signs and wonders, that he could have easily anointed at least one female to author his book. Or one female who worked miracles like Elijah or Moses did. Not even close!

If you read the posts at RF or other places on the Internet, I don't think you will see any evidence that males are more gifted writers. There is no reason God should give the world his book (Which is actually 66 books), without a single known female author. And God should have known the message that would be portrayed by not showing women even a fraction of the blessings, ministry, miracles, and prophetic ministry as was given to men, indicating a strong gender-bias.

Anyway, the poor man Lazarus died and went to "Abraham's Bosom". If I was Lazarus, I'd ask God, "of all the nice bosoms in Heaven, why did you have to give me some dudes? ":poutingcat: :laughing:

I'm more interested in the Marian Apparitions. I like the hail Mary and the Rosary better then intimacy with some dude. Can't help it! :innocent:

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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Catholic Bible has 73 books...

Anyway, if the Abrahamic God was concerned about women's equality, you would think he would have dictated such instructions to the prophets to establish a good example for society.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Jesus did.
I hope so...

Still, I think Jesus kinda wasted his powers. The last supper (the first mass) was a table full of guys. A table full of pretty young ladies would have been funner...especially if I can turn water into wine, cleanse lepers, make Quadriplegics walk, and cast out Demons. Surely women would find that impressive, and I would think he could have powers to get them excited about other things too! :blush:
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I hope so...

Still, I think Jesus kinda wasted his powers. The last supper (the first mass) was a table full of guys. A table full of pretty young ladies would have been funner...especially if I can turn water into wine, cleanse lepers, make Quadriplegics walk, and cast out Demons. Surely women would find that impressive, and I would think he could have powers to get them excited about other things too! :blush:
He spoke to women more than men, witnessed to women more than men. That’s one of those inconvenient truths. lol He likely “chose” 12 men because of the times and he was as much of a man, as he was considered divine. So he did what men did.

Jesus wasn’t into impressing people, he wanted to get people to see God as love. That’s just my opinion.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
He spoke to women more than men, witnessed to women more than men. That’s one of those inconvenient truths. lol He likely “chose” 12 men because of the times and he was as much of a man, as he was considered divine. So he did what men did.

Jesus wasn’t into impressing people, he wanted to get people to see God as love. That’s just my opinion.
That damned long haired beta male hippy!!!! :mad:
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I'm more interested in the Marian Apparitions. I like the hail Mary and the Rosary better then intimacy with some dude. Can't help it! :innocent:

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Well, if you are heterosexual and Mary looks like that, it is no surprise. I wonder what you would think if you had apparitions of something like M. Teresa and such.

Ciao

- viole
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
To add some perspective one of the leaders of my faith spoke these words over 100 years ago:


The world in the past has been ruled by force, and man has dominated over woman by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body and mind. But the balance is already shifting; force is losing its dominance, and mental alertness, intuition, and the spiritual qualities of love and service, in which woman is strong, are gaining ascendancy. Hence the new age will be an age less masculine and more permeated with the feminine ideals, or, to speak more exactly, will be an age in which the masculine and feminine elements of civilization will be more evenly balanced.
Abdu’l-Baha

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-122.html
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Well, if you are heterosexual and Mary looks like that, it is no surprise. I wonder what you would think if you had apparitions of something like M. Teresa and such.

Ciao

- viole
Mother Teresa might be more beautiful now that she is in Heaven.

Most people who have had apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary describe her as the most beautiful sight ever seen. Saint Bernadette said she is so beautiful to see that she wanted to die and go to Heaven just to see her again.

However, who knows if any of that is true. Yes, if she appeared as Mother Teresa, that would be a disappointment. But if I was a leper in the gutters of Calcutta, I would much rather Mother Teresa held me in her arms and fed me, than some guy.

When I was in the hospital with broken bones, I appreciated the females who cared for me more than the males, even when they were not attractive.


Dorothy day isn't attractive in her later years either, but she had a lot of courage and charity, which makes her attractive to me even in her later years. I keep a picture of her and Mother Teresa on my wall. I hope to meet them some day!


Maybe I'll just decompose, fertilize the soil, and feed the worms. Then I won't care that I was wrong...but maybe, just maybe, there is some truth to what people are placing their faith in.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"God of the scripture?" Which scripture? The God of the OT is depicted as very different from that of the NT.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
He spoke to women more than men, witnessed to women more than men. That’s one of those inconvenient truths. lol He likely “chose” 12 men because of the times and he was as much of a man, as he was considered divine. So he did what men did.

Jesus wasn’t into impressing people, he wanted to get people to see God as love. That’s just my opinion.
Sure, but he could have set a better example. The New Testament was written by men. The Apostles and Paul were male as well as the early Fathers of Christianity.

Regarding your other comment, I don't see it as "inconvenient" truth. I hope it is true. I stopped reading scripture about a year ago, But I remember him usually talking to the Apostles and the Religious leaders who were male. But I hope I am mistaken and you are right! :handfist::thumbsup:

He might not have been into impressing people, but he did say some things that strike me as quite narcissistic, like "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you!" "I am the way, the truth, and the life!"

If any guy came to RF and said such talk about themselves, we would label them a narcissist in need of psychiatric help! :p
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Sure, but he could have set a better example. The New Testament was written by men. The Apostles and Paul were male as well as the early Fathers of Christianity.

Regarding your other comment, I don't see it as "inconvenient" truth. I hope it is true. I stopped reading scripture about a year ago, But I remember him usually talking to the Apostles and the Religious leaders who were male. But I hope I am mistaken and you are right! :handfist::thumbsup:

He might not have been into impressing people, but he did say some things that strike me as quite narcissistic, like "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you!" "I am the way, the truth, and the life!"

If any guy came to RF and said such talk about themselves, we would label them a narcissist in need of psychiatric help! :p
"Had there been a lunatic asylum in the suburbs of Jerusalem, Jesus Christ would infallibly been shut up in it at the outset of his public career. The interview with Satan on a pinnacle of the temple would alone have damned him, and everything that happened could but have confirmed the diagnosis. The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum." -- Havelock Ellis.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Mother Teresa might be more beautiful now that she is in Heaven.

Most people who have had apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary describe her as the most beautiful sight ever seen. Saint Bernadette said she is so beautiful to see that she wanted to die and go to Heaven just to see her again.

However, who knows if any of that is true. Yes, if she appeared as Mother Teresa, that would be a disappointment. But if I was a leper in the gutters of Calcutta, I would much rather Mother Teresa held me in her arms and fed me, than some guy.

When I was in the hospital with broken bones, I appreciated the females who cared for me more than the males, even when they were not attractive.


Dorothy day isn't attractive in her later years either, but she had a lot of courage and charity, which makes her attractive to me even in her later years. I keep a picture of her and Mother Teresa on my wall. I hope to meet them some day!


Maybe I'll just decompose, fertilize the soil, and feed the worms. Then I won't care that I was wrong...but maybe, just maybe, there is some truth to what people are placing their faith in.

Between us? I am not a fan of Mother Teresa at all. I think she is the best example of the motto: Catholics do not like the poor, they like poverty.

Ciao

- viole
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Between us? I am not a fan of Mother Teresa at all. I think she is the best example of the motto: Catholics do not like the poor, they like poverty.

Ciao

- viole

She made mistakes, but she cared for people that were totally abandoned and unwanted. At least she provided many of them love and dignity that they would not have otherwise had. Yes, I think she should have been more generous with the morphine though, and not glorify suffering. But who knows, maybe she was right about suffering.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
He spoke to women more than men, witnessed to women more than men. That’s one of those inconvenient truths. lol He likely “chose” 12 men because of the times and he was as much of a man, as he was considered divine. So he did what men did.

Jesus wasn’t into impressing people, he wanted to get people to see God as love. That’s just my opinion.

If I was God I would anoint some hot young ladies to work all sorts of signs, wonders, miracles, and magic, and send them to Saudi-Arabia (Wearing thongs and bikinis defiantly against the Saudi dress-code laws), and tell the Saudi-king and sovereignties that they need to do away with the misogynistic laws and release all the women who went to jail for being raped. And if they didn't abide, the plagues of Egypt and Angel of death would strike them. And these ladies would be bullet proof and protected by legions of Angels, working the miracles of Elijah, Moses, and Jesus Christ.

They would go to Pakistan, Iran, and elsewhere to give those misogynists in charge heart attacks, and establish a New Covenant, where God shows the world girl power!!!


If I was God the World would be way better!
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Catholic Bible has 73 books...
Anyway, if the Abrahamic God was concerned about women's equality, you would think he would have dictated such instructions to the prophets to establish a good example for society.

I find the apocryphal books exclude themselves from the '66' books of Bible canon.
That is because they are out of harmony with the ' 66' harmonious books.
For example: Sirach 25:23 blames Eve instead of Adam. Adam ate second so Adam is responsible Not woman.
So, Scriptural instructions establish a good example for society by Not blaming woman.

Zelophehad died having only daughters. Those woman received the inheritance as per Numbers 27:1-8,
So, woman's property rights were protected - Psalms 68:5; Deuteronomy 10:18.
The widow of 2 Kings 4:8 was unfairly treated, so God intervened so that she could survive and with dignity.
Elisha resurrected her dead son for her.

'Honor' belonged to both Father and Mother (both parents) and King Solomon agreed at Proverbs 1:8 to do Not foresake the Law of your 'Mother'.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
"Had there been a lunatic asylum in the suburbs of Jerusalem, Jesus Christ would infallibly been shut up in it at the outset of his public career. The interview with Satan on a pinnacle of the temple would alone have damned him, and everything that happened could but have confirmed the diagnosis. The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum." -- Havelock Ellis.

I am wondering if someone healed you or resurrected you would you want that person in an asylum______
That 'interview' was a private affair, the curing and feeding of thousands was a public affair out in the open.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am wondering if someone healed you or resurrected you would you want that person in an asylum______
That 'interview' was a private affair, the curing and feeding of thousands was a public affair out in the open.
Hey, I'm just responding to PopeADope's comment with a Havelock Ellis quotation, demonstrating that he wasn't the first to have made this observation.
personally, I have nothing against madmen.
 
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