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Are you a heretic?

BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe that is news to me. Chapter & verse? I know the Bible says that it is profitable for doctrine.

I believe there are apt to be traditions in the Bible but what is above that and any interpretation is the Word that God speaks which includes Jesus.
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Peter says in 1 Peter 1 that though he was an eyewitness of Christ, we would all be best served by adhering to the what the Bible tells us of Jesus. And if Jesus personally appears to you or speaks to you through an intermediary, you are to check according to the Bible--Isaiah said "If they speak not according to this Word, they have no light".

Jesus spent a lot of time (ex: Matthew 23) reproving the Pharisees for following traditions and destroying the doctrines of the Word of God for themselves and others.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
pcarl said:
One does not have to be in full communion with the Church to remain a 'practicing' Catholic which requires one to receive Eucharist at least once a year, Easter. Confession prior to receiving is only necessary if in mortal sin.
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I believe that means basically that one could be a Satanist and still be considered a Catholic if he did those things and kept his mouth shut about Satanism.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Audie said:
Not torches and pitchforks! I will (pretend to)
believe!! :D

What you said of course suggests to me that nobody
is right or very interested in noticing the Emperor's
clothes thing.
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I believe Jews tried that during the time when Spain was telling them to convert, die or leave. The judges decided that the converts must be pretending and put them to the rack anyway.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Audie said:
Sure, on whose authority?

I did kind of wonder how far you are willing to go, in the questioning of authority.

Not very, i guess.
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When I was being investigated the question arose as to whether I thought I was the authority. I am but have no proof so there is no way for anyone to know that except me.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
BilliardsBall said:
Jesus spent a lot of time (ex: Matthew 23) reproving the Pharisees for following traditions and destroying the doctrines of the Word of God for themselves and others.
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A closer reading finds that
"The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice."
Jesus was not opposed to their doctrine, but to their hypocritical actions. The Pharisees and Scribes were not priests nor members of the Sanhedran.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Muffled said:
I believe I am one although no one has officially declared me one.

Basically the way I see it is that a heretic is anyone who disagrees with a person or group that claims to be the religious authority.

For instance in one of the churches I attended (non-denominational in name but Baptist in background) took me to account for believing something different about the Trinity. I was allowed to continue as a communicant even though some may have felt I should have been told to leave.

In another church (charismatic) I was told not to speak in church about religious subjects because I differed in my understanding of the Trinity and other things. When I wish ed to explore what the Bible says I was told that the Church determines doctrine and it was the authority (by extension not the Bible).
I left because I can't help but talk about my religious beliefs.

In the church I am in now (SBC) the Pastor considers himself and the denomination as the authorities and I definitely differ in my understanding with the Pastor and probably with the denomination as well although I don't remember anything specific. I am getting to stay but will probably never be asked to preach in this church because of my differing opinions.

So what is your story? Do you completely adhere to an authority and believe it is always right or do you think different opinions shouldn't divide people?
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I am out here....on my own
(rogue theologian)

I happen to work with a guy I have known for thirty years
he is quite the opposite
he is the epitome of a head nodding suck up
any authority.....any time.....anywhere
he is a bobble head
must have a coil spring in his neck where his spine should be

I still call him friend
I don't let my self centered views divide us
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
pcarl said:
A closer reading finds that
"The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice."
Jesus was not opposed to their doctrine, but to their hypocritical actions. The Pharisees and Scribes were not priests nor members of the Sanhedran.
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Revelation reproves those who add to God's Word, the Talmud adds to God's Word so many things, that modern Jewish study is of Talmud MORE than the Word of God.

Also, in Jewish thought, practice IS doctrine and practice or action IS learning. So when Jesus says, "don't follow their example," He is reproving their doctrine.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Muffled said:
I believe I am one although no one has officially declared me one.

Basically the way I see it is that a heretic is anyone who disagrees with a person or group that claims to be the religious authority.

For instance in one of the churches I attended (non-denominational in name but Baptist in background) took me to account for believing something different about the Trinity. I was allowed to continue as a communicant even though some may have felt I should have been told to leave.

In another church (charismatic) I was told not to speak in church about religious subjects because I differed in my understanding of the Trinity and other things. When I wish ed to explore what the Bible says I was told that the Church determines doctrine and it was the authority (by extension not the Bible).
I left because I can't help but talk about my religious beliefs.

In the church I am in now (SBC) the Pastor considers himself and the denomination as the authorities and I definitely differ in my understanding with the Pastor and probably with the denomination as well although I don't remember anything specific. I am getting to stay but will probably never be asked to preach in this church because of my differing opinions.

So what is your story? Do you completely adhere to an authority and believe it is always right or do you think different opinions shouldn't divide people?
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Nah, I stuck with atheism from the get-go so I wouldn't need to have this discussion. It makes life way simpler.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
pcarl said:
It is what is says; 'do what they say'-doctrine-'not as they do' their hypocrisy.
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Jesus was very gracious, as we know. I don't think He supports washing my hands before I eat as proscriptive or salvific, and I think He used a lot of sarcasm re: the Pharisees--it worked, many trusted Him for salvation.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
Where Jesus agreed with the Pharisees concerns the Torah, that within the written Law there exists an oral tradition that may be interpreted, as a Jew Jesus gave his interpretation,(Jesus' 'Sermon on the Mount'), that this tradition had been handed down to them by the former scribes, (who received from there predecessors back to Moses).
 
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