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What? Me worry?
Uhh...doesn't roll off the tongue as smoothly, no pun intended.
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Uhh...doesn't roll off the tongue as smoothly, no pun intended.
Audie
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Nice fossil, tho, n'est- ce pas?
InChrist
Free4ever
Since I believe in a Creator who is over all creation, then I believe it is possible and as the scriptures reveal a new heaven and earth will be created.
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 65:17
“For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. Isaiah 66:22
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:13
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Revelation 21:1
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 65:17
“For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. Isaiah 66:22
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:13
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Revelation 21:1
Whew! That's a relief. So no worries about global warming and now I can buy this truck with a clear conscience:
I can't even find the estimated gas mileage for it. ( Insert Tim Allen ape sounds here.)
Never mind Tim Allen.
InChrist
Free4ever
I disagree. The Bible is a historical narrative and it is packed with accounts of human behavior which so often includes murder, killing, and wars. Recording human behavior and events does not equate with condoning it and as a matter of fact the Bible condemns such behavior as sinful.
Ahh history of god killing every human on the planet except a good buddy and close family doesn't count?
Joshua 10:40 god commanded murder
2kings 2:24 42 children murdered
Psalms 144:1 god praised for teaching how to kill
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InChrist
Free4ever
If you are referring to the flood where only Noah's family was saved, then Genesis chapter 6 gives the reasons why God sent the flood and saved Noah and his family. So no, I don't believe this counts as murder/killing in the sense that humans murder one another and which the sixth commandment forbids. The scriptures clearly reveal the flood as God's Judgement upon evil. God is the Creator and the Judge, so there is a difference.
The wickedness of man was great in the earth. Gen. 6:5
Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Gen. 6:5
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. Gen. 6:11
So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Gen. 6:5
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Gen. 6:8-10
Sorry, lets see if i understand what you wrote here. You dont believe killing an entire population without trial is murder because they didnt follow rules that weren't published, made public or known.
To me, killing on a whim is murder, doing it on such a scale is genocide. To you its just god being god so it worthy of worship
InChrist
Free4ever
I am curious how you can possibly know God brought about the flood and His judgement of humanity ...
"on a whim"? According to the account it took Noah about 100 years to build the ark. During this 100 year period, Noah preached and warned the people concerning righteousness. God never brings judgement without giving long periods of warning and providing amply opportunity for people to change and escape the coming judgement. If any besides Noah and his family had paid attention and wanted to escape they could have and would have.
I worship God because I believe He is always Just and has valid reasons for all His actions.
I dont say there was a biblical flood, the bible does.
So you say noah, while building an impossible to build ark (it's evern impossible using then available materials with todays technology) also travelled to every continent and island populated by humans to preach? Presumably he also coaxed the animals to leave the environment in which they can a survive to go live in a semi desert and spend a year in a wooden boat.
You are welcome to your belief.
Audie
Veteran Member
I pointed out to one fine flood-believer that the antarctic ice deeply predates any such flood. No prob, he says,
the ice floated up, and then settled back down.
When I convinced him (amazing!) that the ice would break up and drift away, he decided it had not floated at all, because it is stuck down. That was after saying that the circumpolar current just let it spin around in place, so it did not drift away!
The attitude that god is on their side, and their book is infallible is more powerful than even the adhesive power of rock to stone!
Its a good argument that I've never considered. Even floating up it would show a layer of 40 days worth of constant, very heavy rain (around 220 metres per day) around the time of the claimed flood.
I've not got too deeply into the flood thing on this forum. In the past I've used several arguments, some technical some humorous, all valid. From various aspects of logistics, volume of the ark, where where the seven blue whales stored? Storage for a years supply of food for around 60 million animals, some of which were carnivorous. How were wood boring fauna prevented from doing what comes naturally. Who did the mucking out and the best, maths and facts, it would require about 3.5 times more water than has ever existed on earth.
The logic of the bible literalist cannot be comprehended by normal means.
Audie
Veteran Member
The secret is to use gopher wood
And a generous helping of god magic
Audie
Veteran Member
We were, I believe, talking about Christians?
Not Jews?
But let us gaze upon the first passage we find.
"In the hour when the Holy one, blessed be He,
created the first man,
He took him and let him pass before all the trees of
the Garden of Eden and said to him:
"See my works, how fine and excellent they are!
Now all that I have created, for you have I created.
Think upon this and do not corrupt and desolate My World,
For if you corrupt it, there is no one to set it
right after you."
Good advice, not taken, as I recall the story.
And, as Christians now will tell you the earth has been
corrupted irredeemably, (hence the need for a new one) there is no evident reason not to make the most
of what is left of one that has been spoilt.
Your attempted criticism of me would be applied with less calumny and more truth to yourself.
Audie
Veteran Member
Another story that does not hold up to scrutiny is the one about "Paul" and the snake bite.
Perhaps it spoke to him, "let me bite you and I'll not poison you" after all, its not the first time a snake talked in the Bible