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Is the Biblical IQ Test Too Advanced for Most People?

wizanda

wizanda

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Like find this so frustrating relaying things about the Bible with people, who've not got the requirement in comprehension to notice the basics first.

Such as many Buddhist, Hindus, Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc...

Many have an external knowledge of the Biblical beliefs from people who haven't passed the IQ test.

So what is the IQ tests:

One is the Gospels we have a sequence of patterns, where Matthew, Mark, Luke all sound similar and are called the Synoptic Gospels, which means they all see the same...

Then we come to the Gospel of John, which doesn't fit the previous patterns, sounds nothing like Yeshua, no parables, repeated usages of 'I Am', 'Amen' twice, telling people to believe in him 11 times, no word Gospel, etc.

Second IQ test is the many contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; there are award winning theologians throughout history who've recognized Paul is contrary on nearly everything, and yet the majority stick with it, as they're not wise enough to see it.

Third is noticing that Simon was called peter (petros), which is prophetic that he would mislead everyone.

This changes the whole perspective of prophecy, of who Yeshua is, what has been fulfilled, and how it fits into a global scope; yet i've got a majority of people who are ignorant about the basics, and then assume to speak on a topic really they know nothing about.

Now how to proceed is my question, surely there must be a way to educate the world; rather than just burn everyone in a Lake of Fire for being so thick, they've not noticed any of this stuff on their own.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

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wizanda said:
Second IQ test is the many contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; there are award winning theologians throughout history who've recognized Paul is contrary on nearly everything, and yet the majority stick with it, as they're not wise enough to see it.

Third is noticing that Simon was called peter (petros), which is prophetic that he would mislead everyone.
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Total disagreement here. Paul agreed with J. , and Peter didn't mislead anyone.
 
wizanda

wizanda

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Grandliseur said:
Total disagreement here. Paul agreed with J. , and Peter didn't mislead anyone.
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As saying it is an IQ test, so here are the list of contradictions between Paul and Yeshua, and here is a start to seeing how Yeshua calling Simon the stone is prophetic.

We can go into masses of details with scripture backing up why all of this exists; yet this isn't optional, I'm sent from Heaven with some of this knowledge, before everybodies removal who doesn't get it.

Thus by all means willing to debate (relate) each and every point; yet all encompassing statements that someone doesn't believe it, isn't based on facts, thus we can't debate that.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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wizanda

wizanda

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Grandliseur said:
I don't know of any contradictions, and you haven't shown what you think are such.
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You've just posted the link to another thread, with 36 points listed, and that is only a start; there are tons of more subtle ones on top of that.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

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wizanda said:
You've just posted the link to another thread, with 36 points listed, and that is only a start; there are tons of more subtle ones on top of that.

In my opinion. :innocent:
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You have lost me somewhere. I have no idea where 36 points are listed.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Grandliseur said:
Just a question or two. Are you opposed to Peter also?

If you have a point you think Paul contradicted Jesus, it would be easier for me to answer your post.
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I never said anything about anybody contradicting anyone, I was just curious as to where Paul and Jesus taught the same things, in your opinion.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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wizanda said:
Like find this so frustrating relaying things about the Bible with people, who've not got the requirement in comprehension to notice the basics first.

Such as many Buddhist, Hindus, Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc...

Many have an external knowledge of the Biblical beliefs from people who haven't passed the IQ test.

So what is the IQ tests:

One is the Gospels we have a sequence of patterns, where Matthew, Mark, Luke all sound similar and are called the Synoptic Gospels, which means they all see the same...

Then we come to the Gospel of John, which doesn't fit the previous patterns, sounds nothing like Yeshua, no parables, repeated usages of 'I Am', 'Amen' twice, telling people to believe in him 11 times, no word Gospel, etc.

Second IQ test is the many contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; there are award winning theologians throughout history who've recognized Paul is contrary on nearly everything, and yet the majority stick with it, as they're not wise enough to see it.

Third is noticing that Simon was called peter (petros), which is prophetic that he would mislead everyone.

This changes the whole perspective of prophecy, of who Yeshua is, what has been fulfilled, and how it fits into a global scope; yet i've got a majority of people who are ignorant about the basics, and then assume to speak on a topic really they know nothing about.

Now how to proceed is my question, surely there must be a way to educate the world; rather than just burn everyone in a Lake of Fire for being so thick, they've not noticed any of this stuff on their own.

In my opinion. :innocent:
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I think you just flunked the IQ test. :D
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

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BSM1 said:
I never said anything about anybody contradicting anyone, I was just curious as to where Paul and Jesus taught the same things, in your opinion.
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I find no disagreement between Paul and Jesus. I don't mind at all discussing supposed disagreements, but they have to be Biblical, not just off hand claims.

Jesus brought in a New Covenant. In Matthew 26:28, this was spoken of:
ABP: 28 For this is my blood, the blood of the new covenant, the one for many, being poured out for a release of sins.​
Here Jesus mentions a New Covenant for the release of sins. Paul also mentions this New Covenant
Hebrews 9:15:ABP
And because of this [4covenant 3of a new 2mediator 1he is], so that death having taken place, for the release by ransom for the [2unto 3the 4first 5covenant 1violations], [4of the 5promise 3should receive 1so the ones 2having been called] of the eternal inheritance.
ASV: 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24: 24 and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than that of Abel.​
So, both Paul and Jesus speaks about a New Covenant that is through the blood of Christ. Christ mentions it is for forgiveness of sins, as does Peter;
Acts 2:38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; . . .​

Muslims attack Paul and now this poster. But, I do not see a disagreement. As I said, I don't mind if someone mentions a scripture and a perceived disagreement between the two, but just addressing unjustified claims could keep me busy just finding material to even determine if the claim is valid or invalid. One of the reasons I begged off on the poster's claims was that these contain no scriptural references to the supposed disagreements.

Paul is one of foundation teachers after Jesus. If you have some scripture where you think a disagreement occurs, let me know.
 
David T

David T

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wizanda said:
Like find this so frustrating relaying things about the Bible with people, who've not got the requirement in comprehension to notice the basics first.

Such as many Buddhist, Hindus, Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc...

Many have an external knowledge of the Biblical beliefs from people who haven't passed the IQ test.

So what is the IQ tests:

One is the Gospels we have a sequence of patterns, where Matthew, Mark, Luke all sound similar and are called the Synoptic Gospels, which means they all see the same...

Then we come to the Gospel of John, which doesn't fit the previous patterns, sounds nothing like Yeshua, no parables, repeated usages of 'I Am', 'Amen' twice, telling people to believe in him 11 times, no word Gospel, etc.

Second IQ test is the many contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; there are award winning theologians throughout history who've recognized Paul is contrary on nearly everything, and yet the majority stick with it, as they're not wise enough to see it.

Third is noticing that Simon was called peter (petros), which is prophetic that he would mislead everyone.

This changes the whole perspective of prophecy, of who Yeshua is, what has been fulfilled, and how it fits into a global scope; yet i've got a majority of people who are ignorant about the basics, and then assume to speak on a topic really they know nothing about.

Now how to proceed is my question, surely there must be a way to educate the world; rather than just burn everyone in a Lake of Fire for being so thick, they've not noticed any of this stuff on their own.

In my opinion. :innocent:
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Explain noah's ark scientifically. It's rather easy.
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

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BSM1 said:
I never said anything about anybody contradicting anyone, I was just curious as to where Paul and Jesus taught the same things, in your opinion.
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Here is another agreement for you though it is hard to think of things people might think contradict each other]
Matthew 28:18-20 . . .. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”​
Here Jesus shows that the Gospel of Salvation, of Christ shall go out to the Gentiles as well as it went to the Jews.

In this same way, Paul showed that Jesus caused the wall separating the Jews and Gentiles to disappear so that all mankind might become sons of Abraham, and in this way fulfill the promise to Abraham in his covenant with God. So, while the inspired word of God, OT as well as the NT all came through the sons of Israel as is fitting, the road to salvation was opened for all of God's human creation as is also fitting for the Creator of man. Thus any righteous man of any nation may become a servant of God. That is what both Jesus, Paul and all the other writers of the NT told us.
 
wizanda

wizanda

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KenS said:
I think you just flunked the IQ test.
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It would be a bit hard to fail your own test you helped create for people, which is why kindly trying to share this knowledge, as think it is overly complicated.
Grandliseur said:
One of the reasons I begged off on the poster's claims was that these contain no scriptural references to the supposed disagreements.
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We can not argue a line vs line scriptural debate over contradictions of a person's whole theology; again this is part of the IQ test, seeing if people have studied the material, know the independent theologies, and are able to carefully see where there are differences in opinion.

Plus me giving people all the scriptures, would be a bit pointless us setting the test for people in the first place; it would be like saying "who is worthy of the kingdom of God", "oh no one is", well here are all the answers to prove your worthy of it. :confused:
Grandliseur said:
20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.
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If everything Yeshua stated has been overturned by Paul's ideas, than clearly that is not in agreement; as people have to follow Paul's doctrine over Yeshua's to be a Christian.
Grandliseur said:
That is what both Jesus, Paul and all the other writers of the NT told us.
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Unfortunately that is not the case, Jude, James, Yeshua, Revelation warn many will think they're saved; yet instead have gone directly against God by their beliefs of human sacrifice.

Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they went in the way of Cain (killed their brother), and ran riotously in the error of Balaam (God does not require sacrifice (Micah 6:5-8)) for hire, and perished in Korah’s (are to be destroyed by God for going against) rebellion.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
wizanda said:
Like find this so frustrating relaying things about the Bible with people, who've not got the requirement in comprehension to notice the basics first.

Such as many Buddhist, Hindus, Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc...

Many have an external knowledge of the Biblical beliefs from people who haven't passed the IQ test.

So what is the IQ tests:

One is the Gospels we have a sequence of patterns, where Matthew, Mark, Luke all sound similar and are called the Synoptic Gospels, which means they all see the same...

Then we come to the Gospel of John, which doesn't fit the previous patterns, sounds nothing like Yeshua, no parables, repeated usages of 'I Am', 'Amen' twice, telling people to believe in him 11 times, no word Gospel, etc.

Second IQ test is the many contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; there are award winning theologians throughout history who've recognized Paul is contrary on nearly everything, and yet the majority stick with it, as they're not wise enough to see it.

Third is noticing that Simon was called peter (petros), which is prophetic that he would mislead everyone.

This changes the whole perspective of prophecy, of who Yeshua is, what has been fulfilled, and how it fits into a global scope; yet i've got a majority of people who are ignorant about the basics, and then assume to speak on a topic really they know nothing about.

Now how to proceed is my question, surely there must be a way to educate the world; rather than just burn everyone in a Lake of Fire for being so thick, they've not noticed any of this stuff on their own.

In my opinion. :innocent:
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This basically answers your question as to why people don't consider you Hindu.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
wizanda said:
Many have an external knowledge of the Biblical beliefs from people who haven't passed the IQ test.

So what is the IQ tests:
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Actually, many people have a solid knowledge of the Bible without having actually been Christian. Some, such as myself, got a start on Biblical knowledge from being Christian and having Bible study courses and classes on church history. It requires no special esoteric knowledge or revelations to understand the Bible, and pick up on the things you mentioned.
Grandliseur said:
Total disagreement here. Paul agreed with J. , and Peter didn't mislead anyone.
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So, is Jesus the lord of the living and the dead, or the lord of just the living and not the dead? Has not a tittle of the law and prophets been done away with, or has it all been done away with?
 
S

SSBGoku

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Apostle doesn't mean disciple.

Paul, who writes before the Gospels, never indicates Jesus was a teacher or Peter etc. were disciples.

Gerd Lüdemann says:

"Not once does Paul refer to Jesus as a teacher, to his words as teaching, or to [any] Christians as disciples."

and

"Moreover, when Paul himself summarizes the content of his missionary preaching in Corinth (1 Cor. 2.1-2; 15.3-5), there is no hint that a narration of Jesus’ earthly life or a report of his earthly teachings was an essential part of it. . . . In the letter to the Romans, which cannot presuppose the apostle’s missionary preaching and in which he attempts to summarize its main points, we find not a single direct citation of Jesus’ teaching."
 
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SSBGoku

Member
wizanda said:
If words are highlighted in blue on this forum, it means that is a link.... Here will post them separately.

Yeshua / Jesus Vs Saul / Paul Points
Matthew, Mark, Luke Vs the Gospel of John
Matthew, Mark, Luke Vs the Gospel of John
Simon the Stumbling Stone

In my opinion. :innocent:
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Do you understand the 4 Gospels were composed after the letters of Paul?

Nearly every saying of Jesus is from the LXX or Paul's letters. They are not real teachings of Jesus.

For example, the section on turning the other cheek and other aspects of legal pacifism (Mt. 5.38-42) has been redacted from the Greek text of Isaiah 50.6-9.
 
wizanda

wizanda

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Shadow Wolf said:
This basically answers your question as to why people don't consider you Hindu.
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Lol i don't follow their religious traditions, not the religious texts; so it no longer bothers me, if they're ignorant of meanings...

Which is just the same as this thread; so many people listen to scholars before reasoning, leaders before logic, and then wonder why they keep getting lost.
Shadow Wolf said:
pick up on the things you mentioned.
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Impressed that some people do recognize Paul is contrary to Yeshua; yet most have missed John, and Simon being called the stone.
Shadow Wolf said:
It requires no special esoteric knowledge or revelations to understand the Bible
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Agreed, it isn't because of me being sent i get it; it is that i've spent the time to be thorough, and try to understand the additional contexts that are there.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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