jesus walked on earth

Carlita said:

Yes.

“Say (O Mohammed) “If you do love Allah, follow me, Allah will love you, and forgive your sins, as Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Merciful”. Surah Imrân (3:31)

The Gita

I am the same to all beings, and my love is ever the same; but those who worship me with devotion, they are in me and I am in them.

For if even one who does evil were to worship me with all his soul, he must be considered righteous, because of his righteous will.

He will soon become pure and reach everlasting peace. For be aware, Arjuna, that he who loves me shall not perish. (9:29–31)

In Hinduism, love is experienced not read about. Glemming from conversations in another thread.

I don't know what Tao is. Many religions speak of love. Christianity is not unique, especially on sacrifice.

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they speak about loving god. jesus spoke of people loving other people.

God is entirely too complex for anyone to try to put limits on Him.

"For God nothing shall be impossible."

"With God all things are possible."

It is possible for the Father to know and the Son and Spirit not to know.

Terrywoodenpic said:

Jesus was both Fully Mortal And Fully of God.
While on earth Jesus was fully man.

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That's a non orthodox Christian belief. Read the various creeds, or if you need educating ask, and I'll post them for you.

He was 100% God and 100% man at the same time!! Trinity is the Church's BIGGEST blunder, a self inflicted gaping hole to the head that will NEVER heal.

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach the 3 beings together make ONE God, nowhere at all.

syo said:

they speak about loving god. jesus spoke of people loving other people.

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He also told his followers to hate their families, called the Samaritan woman a dog, and in Revelation will return to kill all those who oppose him. Sounds very loving, or it as the Qur'an says, God loves those who obey Him and His messengers?

Muslim-UK said:

That's a non orthodox Christian belief. Read the various creeds, or if you need educating ask, and I'll post them for you.

He was 100% God and 100% man at the same time!! Trinity is the Church's BIGGEST blunder, a self inflicted gaping hole to the head that will NEVER heal.

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach the 3 beings together make ONE God, nowhere at all.

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Look, dude, you can believe what you will about it. But don't presume to come on here and preach to Christians about our faith. There are 2.2 billion Christians on the face of this planet and most all of them disagree with you.

Muslim-UK said:

Sorry but tat's not true, another translation reads;

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

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that's wrong translation. sorry.

Muslim-UK said:

Jews and Muslims have no problem whatsoever with God having a Son, after all He created us all, and the Torah is full with references to Sons of GOD.
Let's first deal with this concept of 'Son of God' before I answer your questions.

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The nature of the Son of God Is intrinsically bound to the Nature of God.

It is true that in one sense we are all sons and daughters of God. as is all his creation.

However Jesus Like God precedes the creation. His spirit was made Man by being borne of Mary, so as to achieve God's purpose on earth.

Muslim-UK said:

But Jesus pbuh as 100% man and 100% looked just like Billions of other humans. Sounds like God is not ONE in uniqueness.

Also Jesus pbuh fell on his face and prayed to God <<< prayed to himself?
He asked for the cup to pass, because he did not will it, but as the Father wills. <<< Different wills

Jesus pbuh said don't touch me yet as I haven't ascended to my father, and your father, MY GOD and your GOD. <<<<< God has a God??

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jesus is 100 percent god and when he walked the earth was 100 percent human too. so?

syo said:

they speak about loving god. jesus spoke of people loving other people.

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When you love god, you naturally love his creation. Why would jesus need exist to understand your relationship between creator, you, and his creation?

Muslim-UK said:

He also told his followers to hate their families, called the Samaritan woman a dog, and in Revelation will return to kill all those who oppose him. Sounds very loving,

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you have to study and understand jesus's teachings.

Carlita said:

When you love god, you naturally love his creation.

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that's what these books say?

syo said:

that's wrong translation. sorry.

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What are your Scholarly qualifications to challenge the various translations used on Christianity's largest online portal?

New International Version
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

New Living Translation
"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

English Standard Version
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

Berean Study Bible
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

New American Standard Bible
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Now concerning that day and hour no one knows--neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son--except the Father only.

International Standard Version
"No one knows when that day or hour will come —not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father,

NET Bible
"But as for that day and hour no one knows it--not even the angels in heaven--except the Father alone.

New Heart English Bible
But no one knows of that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but my Father only.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But about that day and about that hour no one knows, not even the Angels of Heaven, but The Father alone.

Stop digging, ONLY the Father knows. Jesus pbuh is not the Holy Spirit or the Father, they are separate from each other.

Why doesn't Jesus pbuh or the Holy Spirit, (Angel Gabriel) possess the same qualities as GOD? Simply because they are not divine.

Muslim-UK said:

What are your Scholarly qualifications to challenge the various translations used on Christianity's largest online portal?

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I speak greek and I can read the original.

Terrywoodenpic said:

The nature of the Son of God Is intrinsically bound to the Nature of God.

It is true that in one sense we are all sons and daughters of God. as is all his creation.

However Jesus Like God precedes the creation. His spirit was made Man by being borne of Mary, so as to achieve God's purpose on earth.

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They don't share the same knowledge, will or attributes. All they have in common is the SAME Goal, same purpose, same desire for people to know GOD alone.

syo said:

I speak greek and I can read the original.

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ONLY the Father, even in Swahili excludes everyone and thing except the Father.

Post the Greek if you like, for that too refutes you.

syo said:

the fact jesus was born, is the greatest sign of god's love. god created us and he didn't abandon us to our fates. he sent his only son so that we can be saved from our evil self and he gave meaning to our lives, that is living good so that we will enter the kingdom that will come. how can anyone reject jesus and his message of love?

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I don't have a problem with Jesus myself. In fact I kind of admire the spirit of the story. What I have a problem with is the Christian theology built up around the story.

Rome took the letters of Paul to create a narrative about Jesus turning him from a Rabbi into an aspect, avatar for God. Basically turning Jesus into a graven image of God.

Paul, because of his vision likely caused by his guilt because of the atrocities he caused to those who followed Jesus, decided he had the authority to augment the story according to his own views of God.

While Christians decided to accept Paul's authority, I certainly see no reason to.

So from the viewpoint of Christianity you are not only asking a person to accept the message of Jesus but also the authority of Paul to determine the correct theology surrounding the story of Jesus.

In fact generally what I see taught by Christian churches is not the message of Jesus, to which they give little more than lip service but the theology of Paul.


Paul was a Pharisee. One day he had a ‘revelation’. He changed his name from Saul to Paul, and straightway preached his revelations about the ‘Christ’ in the synagogues. Paul continued to have new ‘revelations’ that spoke ‘of’ and ‘for’ a Christ, but he was glaringly silent about the actual life of Yahushua (Jesus) and his teachings. In Paul’s epistles we find him using the words ‘Christ, Son of God, grace, redemption, resurrection, etc.’, but we learn little or nothing about Yahushua and his actual teachings. They’re virtually absent from Paul’s epistles. What we learn about are Paul’s revelations. Roughly 50% of the New Testament (13 epistles) is from Saul, a man who neither knew Yahushua in the flesh, nor was instructed by the apostles. Rather, he taught by unsubstantiated revelation, Ezekiel 13:2-9.

Paul considered himself the ‘apostle’ to the Gentiles, primarily because his doctrine (called ‘that way’, Acts 19:9, 23) was rejected by Jewish Christians and the Asian churches alike; and he was forced to seek converts who knew nothing of Yahudim (Jewish) customs and the Law. Paul’s doctrine was adverse to the teachings of Yahushua; and he was often in conflict with James, Peter, and John; the real apostles. And by the way, Paul was not an apostle.

Paul spent an inordinate amount of time defending himself and his teachings from accusations of guile, lies, and covetousness. None of the real apostles were so accused. Paul’s core philosophy of justification by faith and abolition of Torah Law stands in opposition to Yahushua’s statements in the gospels. Paul thought nothing of lying or practicing pagan customs if it meant gaining a new convert to his own brand of salvation, Romans 3:7, I Corinthians 10:14-21, 9:19-22.

Paul’s words speak for themselves. His use of personal pronouns in his epistles (I, me, my, mine) is three times that of any other writer. Paul urged his followers to follow him. He preached by revelation. Paul preached his doctrine in the ‘name’ of Christ, but his teachings were not in alignment with Yahushua’s teachings, John 5:43.

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Muslim-UK said:

ONLY the Father, even in Swahili excludes everyone and thing except the Father.

Post the Greek if you like, for that too refutes you.

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Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν, οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι τῶν οὐρανῶν, εἰ μὴ ὁ πατὴρ μου μόνος.
he says only the father. NOT his creations. the son and holy spirit are not mentioned.

DavidFirth said:

There are 2.2 billion Christians on the face of this planet and most all of them disagree with you.

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They disagree with each other too, what's new?

the son and holy spirt interact with the creations and they are forbidden to reveal the hour, for the hour is father's will.

syo said:

that's what these books say?

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You don't experience unconditional love without Jesus?

I can only speak for myself. Everyone has a Buddha-nature; we all have the potential to be buddhas. When you take the refuges formal or not, you commit yourself to express compassion and unconditional love with other people. This is inherited in you not something The Buddha needs to tell you. That sense of love (like a baby to their mother) is a part of you. No one needs a guru, master, priest, rabbi, so have you to know this. It's embedded in your genes. How we interpret our expression for others is based on our culture and how we are raised. Age has a lot to do with it as well.

In general, if god is the creator and there is no jesus, god would work through you to where you'd not only love him but yourself and his creation. That experience (not written knowledge) of love makes it unconditional and genuine. When you are told how to love someone, there are conditions to it.

Some people need a guide other people do not.

But, I don't understand. If there is a creator, why would his love through you be limited as to whether he has a son or not?