How was USSR not a pagan society?

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

USSR might have banned all religions, however though, every year they celebrated New Years with Santa Clause mascot. Santa Clause is one of the gods that Vikings used to believe in. So, basically like other nations who celebrated Jesus every year, USSR celebrated Santa Clause. They basically promoted the religion of Vikings.

USSR also like pagans, preserved one of their own leaders, and build a little pyramid for the body of Lenin. They also build statues of Lenin, and presented gifts to that statue.

So, how was USSR not a pagan society?

I think a real socialist does not tip statues, or preserve bodies of their leaders, or build pyramids for their deceased leaders, because that is a pagan act.

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

Sartre said:
Citation needed.

Santa is entirely detached from his root.

If celebrating christmas makes a society pagan then I'm surprised to learn that most of the Christian world is actually pagan.

Santa Clouse is commonly linked to Odin (Odin’s name can be translated as “Master of Ecstasy.”), one of the major gods in Germanic mythology who was depicted as a white-bearded man with magical powers. However, Odin’s ties to Santa Claus may be more pronounced. The winter solstice, also known as Yule, was a time when Odin led a hunting party, known as the Wild Hunt, in the sky with an eight-legged horse named Sleipnir. The 13th century Poetic Edda said the mythical horse could leap great distances -- a trait reindeer possess. Children would leave their boots by the chimney filled with carrots and hay to feed Sleipnir. Legend has it that whenever Odin flew by he would leave gifts by their boots.

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

Sartre said:
The cult of personality occurs in most nations, whether they admit it or not.

Stalin and Lenin weren't worshiped religiously. Unless you also consider America's obsession founding fathers or Canada's obsession with the fathers of confederation to be religious as well.

Presenting gifts to statues. Building pyramids for the deceased leader. Mascot of Odin. How is it not religious?

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 9, 2017

Simple. They didn't worship Rod, Veles, Perun, Mokosh, or a slew of other Slavic Pagan deities.

And for the umpteenth time; it is Norse, not Viking. I don't call your culture "Jihadist culture" do I?

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

The Ragin Pagan said:
Simple. They didn't worship Rod, Veles, Perun, Mokosh, or a slew of other Slavic Pagan deities.

And for the umpteenth time; it is Norse, not Viking. I don't call your culture "Jihadist culture" do I?

Jihadist culture exist in every army. There was a Russian soldier who called an airstrike on himself because he either got surrounded or captured.

Egyptians pagans didn't worship them either.

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
Jihadist culture exist in every army.

I would still think that you would understand when I've told you so many times. We don't call the ancient Russians "Bogatyr religion" do we? No.

Egyptians pagans didn't worship them either.

The USSR did not worship any Pagan deities, or any non-Abrahamic polytheistic deities. Ergo they were not Pagan.

lovesong · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
Santa Clause is one of the gods that Vikings used to believe in.

Uh, no. No no no.

sovietchild said:
USSR celebrated Santa Clause.

Sounds a lot like the U.S.

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 9, 2017

So here's a question; if the USSR censored "Western ideologies" (and they did), why the hell would they "celebrate Santa Claus"? That smells stinkawitz.

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

The Ragin Pagan said:
So here's a question; if the USSR censored "Western ideologies" (and they did), why the hell would they "celebrate Santa Claus"? That smells stinkawitz.

How can Abraham religions be western ideologies? I believe they banned all religions, not just Abraham.

And, Santa Claus figure is much bigger then one in USA, in terms of popularity, because maybe when they celebrate Santa day in USA they also celebrate Jesus day so one has to divide popularity.

Saint Frankenstein · Apr 9, 2017

The OP literally made me bust out laughing. Lol.

LuisDantas · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
Presenting gifts to statues. Building pyramids for the deceased leader. Mascot of Odin. How is it not religious?

I guess it can be difficult for someone who uses Islaam as a reference to understand what religion is.

SomeRandom · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
USSR might have banned all religions, however though, every year they celebrated New Years with Santa Clause mascot. Santa Clause is one of the gods that Vikings used to believe in. So, basically like other nations who celebrated Jesus every year, USSR celebrated Santa Clause. They basically promoted the religion of Vikings.

Actually Santa Clause (Sinterklass, Kris Kringle, Father Christmas, Saint Nick etc) is an amalgamation of various European folklore, intermingling with Christian ideology. A prominent figure Santa is based on is actually the Greek Christian Saint, Saint Nickolas. A 4th century Saint known for his generosity, a great many miracles attributed to him and therefore revered by many Christian denominations.The representation of Santa Clause that we know today (at least in the West) is actually influenced a great deal by the poems "Twas the Night Before Christmas" and "A Visit From Saint Nickolas", written in the 1800s.

So no,Santa is not a "God of the Vikings" (Norse God), he's quite literally a Sainted individual in Christendom. Why you lie?

Santa Claus - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas\
Sinterklaas - Wikipedia

sovietchild said:
USSR also like pagans, preserved one of their own leaders, and build a little pyramid for the body of Lenin. They also build statues of Lenin, and presented gifts to that statue.

So, how was USSR not a pagan society?

I think a real socialist does not tip statues, or preserve bodies of their leaders, or build pyramids for their deceased leaders, because that is a pagan (religious) act.

Who cares? Also the ancient Egyptians weren't Pagan.

SomeRandom · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
How can Abraham religions be western ideologies? I believe they banned all religions, not just Abraham.

And, Santa Claus figure is much bigger then one in USA, in terms of popularity, because maybe when they celebrate Santa day in USA they also celebrate Jesus day so one has to divide popularity.

There's no such thing as Jesus day or Santa day. It's called Christmas. One day. The 25th of December. And gee, what are the chances that a jolly (now) religiously neutral fat guy giving out free **** would be more popular in a secular society than a guy literally restricted to Christianity alone?!

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sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

SomeRandom said:
Actually Santa Clause (Sinterklass, Kris Kringle, Father Christmas, Saint Nick etc) is an amalgamation of various European folklore, intermingling with Christian ideology. A prominent figure Santa is based on is actually the Greek Christian Saint, Saint Nickolas. A 4th century Saint known for his generosity, a great many miracles attributed to him and therefore revered by many Christian denominations.The representation of Santa Clause that we know today (at least in the West) is actually influenced a great deal by the poems "Twas the Night Before Christmas" and "A Visit From Saint Nickolas", written in the 1800s.

So no,Santa is not a "God of the Vikings" (Norse God), he's quite literally a Sainted individual in Christendom. Why you lie?

Santa Claus - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas\
Sinterklaas - Wikipedia

Who cares? Also the ancient Egyptians weren't Pagan.

I thought it was hot in Greece. And reindeer in Greece?

SomeRandom · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
I thought it was hot in Greece. And reindeer in Greece?

Amalgamation. As in bits and pieces mixed together. It was originally a noble steed, but in the West that was changed to Reindeer mostly due to the various poems about Santa Claus from the 1800s. Santa didn't always live in the North Pole, he lived in Turkey where Saint Nick originally did. But during the late 1800s, the Arctic became more associated with magic/fantasy and snow became more and more tied with Christmas. This was due to the fascination with expeditions set to explore the North pole, then untamed and unexplored. This started to leak into the Santa Claus myth more and more. Due to depictions by popular cartoonists of the time imagining him as such.

At the end of the day though, Santa Claus, even in the Netherlands owes its roots to Catholicism, even though there's obviously more Norwegian folklore in their representation.

sovietchild · Apr 9, 2017

Fidel Castro never build any statues of himself in Cuba. They never preserved his body either. Because maybe he didn't want people to worship him like they did with Lenin and North Korean leaders.

LuisDantas said:
I guess it can be difficult for someone who uses Islaam as a reference to understand what religion is.

Well, one of us surely does not understand what pagan practices are.

SomeRandom · Apr 9, 2017

sovietchild said:
Well, one of us surely does not understand what pagan practices is.

Yeah, clearly not you!

VioletVortex · Apr 9, 2017

Santa Claus is a christianized, and later, secularized version of the Norse god Heimdallr. I see where you are coming from, but no, Santa Claus is secular enough that he wouldn't be considered to be a religious figure by most.

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 10, 2017

sovietchild said:
How can Abraham religions be western ideologies?

Not the religion. Santa Claus. Here's why I'm calling BS on your whole claim.

You set this in the USSR. Communism. Notoriously anti-Capitalist. And there is no greater symbol of Capitalism than Santa Claus. So why would Communist Russia - who edited a song about a cowboy in love to "trollollollolloll" - have anything to do with Santa Claus? You can't just throw up a Russian Christmas card with Claus on it and say "Oh yeah, it's from the USSR!" just because it's in Russian.

Hammerheart said:
Santa Claus is a christianized, and later, secularized version of the Norse god Heimdallr.

No... Heimdallr has no influence in the figure of Santa Claus at all.

Augustus · Apr 10, 2017

SomeRandom said:
At the end of the day though, Santa Claus, even in the Netherlands owes its roots to Catholicism, even though there's obviously more Norwegian folklore in their representation.

Dutch Santa/Sinterklaas comes from Spain on a boat, rides a horse and has a Moorish assistant called Zwarte Piet (Black Pete).

He also arrives on 5th December rather than 25th and wears a Bishop's mitre, vestment and carries a crook.

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