Misquote in the Gospel

kjw47 said:

99% on earth are mislead. But not all of them claim to be the servants of Jesus.

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Well, a lot of folks are being misled into bigotry.

For example, you have Jehovah Witnesses who are card carrying German citizens pointing their fingers at Catholics as the cause of World War 2.

Since this is something Jesus never taught why do your teachers teach it? Are 99% of Jehovah Witnesses misled?

JohnAmes said:

I particularly like this misquote from the gospel
it regards John the Baptist

Luke 3:4
"As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
'A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him''.

So the gospel scholars make a strong distinction that it was John proclaiming 'in the desert' then quotes.
Here is the actual Isaiah quote.....
Isaiah 40:3
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the Lord;
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

As you can see, they misquoted between 'in the desert' and 'prepare the way of our Lord'.
they moved the break of exclamation

So it is not, a voice of one calling in the desert: 'prepare the way'

it is, a voice of one calling: 'in the desert prepare the way'
the prophet wasn't in the desert, the highway of the Lord was.

I don't know why they haven't fixed that typo after all these years?

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Have you actually asked any of the biblical scholars??? That would be the place to start.

@kjw47 You have not answered my question. It is written that The Spirit bears witness of the anointing of the brothers of Christ. They know by that spirit.

How do YOU know? If the spirit bears witness for you, then aren't you one of them?
If the spirit doesn't bear witness with you, then you must know that they certainly can be self-chosen.
Why not?

They are not only teachers, but I know for certain that they are setting the bar of salvation for everyone.

Isn't doing so setting themselves up on the throne? They have recently reported that they have not
been granted authority over all Christ's belongings yet, but they are setting the bar. How does that seem right to you?

JohnAmes said:

I particularly like this misquote from the gospel
it regards John the Baptist

Luke 3:4
"As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
'A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him''.

So the gospel scholars make a strong distinction that it was John proclaiming 'in the desert' then quotes.
Here is the actual Isaiah quote.....
Isaiah 40:3
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the Lord;
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

As you can see, they misquoted between 'in the desert' and 'prepare the way of our Lord'.
they moved the break of exclamation

So it is not, a voice of one calling in the desert: 'prepare the way'

it is, a voice of one calling: 'in the desert prepare the way'
the prophet wasn't in the desert, the highway of the Lord was.

I don't know why they haven't fixed that typo after all these years?

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The problem is easily answered. The OT scroll never had chapters or verses. The chances are if you check up on the Hebrew OT the word used relate to Moses and the Israelites in the WIlderness/Desert you will find that Wilderness is Hebrew for the Desert. John lived in the desert and fed on wild locust and honey till his time to preach. Luke 1 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

It is easy to confuse and take scripture out of context if you are not aware of the whole of the scriptures and the Hebrew and Greek.

RESOLUTION said:

It is easy to confuse and take scripture out of context if you are not aware of the whole of the scriptures and the Hebrew and Greek.

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Agreed.

We don't even have to go from Hebrew to Greek, we can simply look at Greek to English.

How many different bible translations do we have based Greek manuscripts?

"Misquotes in the Gospel" is another "Misunderstanding of the Gospel". I think anyone who travels abroad quickly learns that language is not an exact science.

savagewind said:

No, they do not. I asked you to please prove to us that Matthew 24:45 is really a prophecy. You have not done so. Jesus spoke in parables. A parable is like a fable which teaches leasons to those paying attention.

You say Matthew 24:45 isn't a lesson, but that it is proof that those men have Jesus' blessing. I am just asking you to prove it.

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I don't have to prove anything to anyone. The fact is--The ones Jehovah wants, he sends to his son who in turn send them back to his God and Father. I can just plant seeds.

omega2xx said:

The men who invented you Bible we not experts in either Hebrew or Greek. Only one of the had any formal train in Greek and he was self taught in Hebrew. Hardly qualifications to do accurate Bible translation. Your Bible is not a translation. It is a editing of good translation, omitting anything that refuted JW theology.

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The Pharisees in Jesus day assured their followers that Jesus nor the apostles could be teachers because they did not attend their schools of men--they were wrong. Jesus' real teachers do NOT need the schools of men.

omega2xx said:

Not unless you can show where it is in the Bible, and you can't do that can you?

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show where what is?

savagewind said:

@kjw47 you have faith that what you believe God's word says, it says.
Faith is a fruit of God's Spirit.
Your faith is in YOU and the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jehovah is jealous. You know that.
You are using God's gift of faith and putting it in men.
I would call that foolish and dangerous.

YOU are being taught that it is the only right way to be.

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Not if you believe Luke 10:16

Oeste said:

Well, a lot of folks are being misled into bigotry.

For example, you have Jehovah Witnesses who are card carrying German citizens pointing their fingers at Catholics as the cause of World War 2.

Since this is something Jesus never taught why do your teachers teach it? Are 99% of Jehovah Witnesses misled?

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I never said catholics caused ww2--stop twisting my words--I said they could have prevented it by telling the young men--Jesus will never condone the brothers in Christ standing on both sides against one another--Jesus taught--unity--no division-

savagewind said:

@kjw47 You have not answered my question. It is written that The Spirit bears witness of the anointing of the brothers of Christ. They know by that spirit.

How do YOU know? If the spirit bears witness for you, then aren't you one of them?
If the spirit doesn't bear witness with you, then you must know that they certainly can be self-chosen.
Why not?

They are not only teachers, but I know for certain that they are setting the bar of salvation for everyone.

Isn't doing so setting themselves up on the throne? They have recently reported that they have not
been granted authority over all Christ's belongings yet, but they are setting the bar. How does that seem right to you?

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The bible has already set matters as they are.

kjw47 said:

The bible has already set matters as they are.

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Aha. So the Bible has authority, according to you?

I think you should rethink that.

God is my authority and in the end, I think, you want God to be your authority too.

kjw47 said:

I never said catholics caused ww2--stop twisting my words--I said they could have prevented it by telling the young men--Jesus will never condone the brothers in Christ standing on both sides against one another--Jesus taught--unity--no division-

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You do not listen well. There still would have been a war even if all the priests in every land preached pacifism. The reason? Many, if not most, young men couldn't care any less about what the preacher preaches. Do you understand?

Must I elaborate? You seem to say that the Catholic Church could have prevented the war.
It could not have even if it stood up for peace and not war.

@kjw47 The Jehovah's Witnesses stand for peace and not war. Right?

Well, there will still be the great tribulation. Correct?

There are still wars. Right?

Oeste said:

Well, a lot of folks are being misled into bigotry.

For example, you have Jehovah Witnesses who are card carrying German citizens pointing their fingers at Catholics as the cause of World War 2.

Since this is something Jesus never taught why do your teachers teach it? Are 99% of Jehovah Witnesses misled?

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kjw47 said:

I never said catholics caused ww2--stop twisting my words--

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I didn't say you did either, so stop twisting mine. Read my post again. I'm referring to this silly bigoted nonsense your Organization teaches.

kjw47 said:

I said they could have prevented it by telling the young men--Jesus will never condone the brothers in Christ standing on both sides against one another--Jesus taught--unity--no division-

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I read what you said and it is still bigoted.

If your Organization condemns Catholics because they could have prevented men from entering the War then they could just as easily condemn Germans for the same reason.

Yet we still see card carrying German Jehovah Witnesses hypocritically pointing fingers at Catholics.

I don't recall Jesus asking his followers to point a hypocritical finger at anyone, so for the second time why do your teachers teach it?

Also, for the second time, and especially since you brought it up, why didn't the Jehovah Witnesses who entered the camps prevent other Jehovah Witnesses from becoming loyal Nazis? If you're going to carve out Catholics for special criticism, shouldn't you first carve out Witnesses instead? (Mat 7:5)

kjw47 said:

It doesn't take knowing greek. it takes knowing bible facts--Jesus was in Hades for 3 days--- fact-- THE only place paradise will exist is the new earth--the earth will be transformed into paradise in Gods kingdom.
Trinity comma placement is error.

Another error=

I am that I am = error
Hebrew scholars say--I will be what I will be is correct.
another error by trinity translators to try and use I am by Jesus to say he was claiming to be God--- is not the truth--they came up with that from error.

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Kjw47,
The way Hebrew is translated, there is,technically, more than one wat that this Scripture can be translated. It is up to the translator to chose the correct way, and that would be to translate the Scripture so that it agrees with all the Bible.
At Exodus 3:14,where many Bibles say, I Am that I Am, can be correctly be translated, I Am Who I Am, which seems to make more sense to me. Then inverse 15 Moses writes God's Proper Name, or Personal Name, Jehovah, and that this is His memorial for all generations. Verse 14 is also translated, He Causes to Become. Some translations say that, He will become what He chooses to become. Since the Bible states clearly that God does not change, the translation; He Causes to become, makes more sense, because Jehovah, The Almighty, causes everything to become just as He wants it to become.
At Exodus 6:2,3 I you look in a concordance or a literal Bible, you will find that Jehovah is God's Proper name, and that He had been known by the title, The Almighty.
Most errors found in translations are not caused on purpose, but the translator translates the wrong words, because he does not really understand God's purpose for the earth and mankind.
Any error can easily be determined by a comparison of translations. I use about 50 different translations.
Remember, God promised that He would protect His word from all generations, so you can find the truth if you search for it, as for hidden treasure, Psalms 12:6,7, Proverbs 2:1-5.
Think about this; if God allowed His word to be adulterated, so that truth cannot be found, How could God judge the world of mankind??? Agape!!!

jtartar said:

Kjw47,

Most errors found in translations are not caused on purpose,

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I think that leaves a few errors that were made on purpose. I do not doubt it!

savagewind said:

@kjw47 The Jehovah's Witnesses stand for peace and not war. Right?

Well, there will still be the great tribulation. Correct?

There are still wars. Right?

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savagewind,
Jehovah's witnesses are not against all wars, but are against any of man's wars, but not against the war of Armageddon, where Jesus will come to earth and judge mankind, and reward them for their works, good or bad.
A very important truth is what Jesus said to Peter when he drew his sword to keep Jesus from being arrested. Jesus told Peter to put away his sword, because all those who take up the sword WILL die by the sword, Matthew 26:51,52.
This statement was meant for all those who would go to war with other nations, as the sword is a symbol for war, in the Bible, Revelation 6:4,8.
Now, something even more important to all living now, Jesus was not talking about all those that go to war would die at that time, Jesus was warning everyone that, if they do not die by the sword,in that war, they will die by the long sword that protrudes from his mouth, especially at Armageddon, Revelation 1:13-16, 19:11-15,21.
Think about this; Jesus said that people would know his disciples by the love they have among themselves, John 13:34,35.
Today, Jesus disciples are in every nation!!! Would it show love for his disciples if they took up the sword against any nation, and killed their spiritual brothers. Do you think Jesus, or God would be pleased??? I don't!!!

"Jehovah" is NOT God's proper name.

יהוה is the Name God chooses to be known by. Jehovah is what people call their god.

Are you all going to allow The Almighty God to choose whatever name is actually right?

Probably not. < God said that. I am sure.

jtartar said:

Do you think Jesus, or God would be pleased??? I don't!!!

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God is not pleased. Genesis 8:21. Do you realize that includes you too?