What can be done to stop oppressive leftists?

Mister Emu · Feb 1, 2017

Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

We do all agree that we cannot allow political speech to be threatened in such a manner, correct? No one wants to see similar actions towards leftists, or, the grace of god forefend, blood in the streets. Yet, it seems those are the only places this can go, if allowed to continue.

I'm not saying stop people from protesting, be we can't let "protest" turn into this kind of wild anti-speech activity.

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

Neo Deist · Feb 1, 2017

Mister Emu said:
Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

We do all agree that we cannot allow political speech to be threatened in such a manner, correct? No one wants to see similar actions towards leftists, or, the grace of god forefend, blood in the streets. Yet, it seems those are the only places this can go, if allowed to continue.

I'm not saying stop people from protesting, be we can't let "protest" turn into this kind of wild anti-speech activity.

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

I see it all the time now. I am no longer surprised by the Left.

Upaava · Feb 1, 2017

Mister Emu said:
Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

If there be evil in the world, we can expect their agenda is to foment anger and hatred, to get us fighting one another wherever they can. They would use our emotions to manipulate people to unknowingly work against their own best interests of peace and liberty.

I am speaking of the reality we are engaged in now, where those who work against the good of the world, who have their own dark agenda of global conquest, secretly hide in the shadows allowing others to do their bidding.

Do not fall into their traps that divide us. Make yourselves ambassadors of peace and love, uniting with others rather than fighting them. Work to save the children who are disappearing daily, who are being used for pedophilia and blood rituals.

Do your homework: read the Wikileaks releases and other courageous sources where people risk their lives to help expose the truth.

It's time to awaken, working together to help bring forth a bright future for ourselves and descendents.

buddhist · Feb 1, 2017

Mister Emu said:
Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

We do all agree that we cannot allow political speech to be threatened in such a manner, correct? No one wants to see similar actions towards leftists, or, the grace of god forefend, blood in the streets. Yet, it seems those are the only places this can go, if allowed to continue.

I'm not saying stop people from protesting, be we can't let "protest" turn into this kind of wild anti-speech activity.

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

Simple - justice needs to be served, and visibly, as an example and warning to others who might follow in their footsteps.

Leaders need to be held accountable for the lawlessness of their minions. Trace and stop those who supply the money which funds them. Enforce the law against all acts of trespass and violence.

This goes for leftists or rightists.

9-10ths_Penguin · Feb 1, 2017

Mister Emu said:
Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

We do all agree that we cannot allow political speech to be threatened in such a manner, correct? No one wants to see similar actions towards leftists, or, the grace of god forefend, blood in the streets. Yet, it seems those are the only places this can go, if allowed to continue.

I'm not saying stop people from protesting, be we can't let "protest" turn into this kind of wild anti-speech activity.

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

I see a few implicit ideas in what you're saying that are worth closer examination:

- the visit by Milo Yiannopoulos represents political speech and nothing more.

- the alt-right will not be violent unless provoked by the left.

- because of the actions of those who set the fire, broke the windows, etc., the entire protest was an "anti-speech activity."

Care to defend (or retract) any of these positions?

psychoslice · Feb 1, 2017

I think they are simply lacking brain cells ?.

Valjean · Feb 1, 2017

Those aren't the leftists. Those are hooligans taking advantage of the disorder for a little violence and destruction.

buddhist · Feb 1, 2017

Valjean said:
Those aren't the leftists. Those are hooligans taking advantage of the disorder for a little violence and destruction.

If they aren't leftists, then the true leftist leaders need to make a better effort at publicly condemning these acts of violence done in their name.

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

When we do it never makes it to the mainstream media sources, and condemnation in The Nation or on Democracy Now is pretty much preaching to the choir.

Another problem: 'leftist leaders' -- leftist movements often don't have any clear leadership. They're egalitarian, co-operative movements guided by consensus.

buddhist · Feb 2, 2017

Valjean said:
When we do it never makes it to the mainstream media sources, and condemnation in The Nation or on Democracy Now is pretty much preaching to the choir.

I mean strong voices of condemnation from actual top leaders like 0bama, the Clintons, top Senate and House leftists leaders, governors, and their likes.

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

buddhist said:
I mean strong voices of condemnation from actual top leaders like 0bama, the Clintons, top Senate and House leftists leaders, governors, and their likes.

When did Obama or the Clintons join the left???

buddhist · Feb 2, 2017

Valjean said:
When did Obama or the Clintons join the left???

Are you saying they're not generally known as leftists?

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

Unlike right-wing demos, where any dissent or disruptive behavior is likely to get you cold cocked, liberals have a hard time policing their demos. They're too nice, too pacific, too tolerant of diversity. Hooligans and anarchists can just run riot.

buddhist · Feb 2, 2017

If these hooligans and anarchists are not genuine leftists, then wouldn't you agree that the genuine leftist leaders should condemn and disavow them?

If they do not condemn and disavow, then they are implicitly giving their approval, even if they don't fully acknowledge them as part of the nice, tolerant left.

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

buddhist said:
Are you saying they're not generally known as leftists?

Only by the far right and those watching Fox News or listening to Limbaugh or Hannity.
The actual left has always considered them moderate Republicans, by historical standared.

Shadow Wolf · Feb 2, 2017

Valjean said:
Unlike right-wing demos, where any dissent or disruptive behavior is likely to get you cold cocked, liberals have a hard time policing their demos. They're too nice, too pacific, too tolerant of diversity. Hooligans and anarchists can just run riot.

And, of course, you can't lump Liberals, Marxists, and Anarchists anymore generally than "Left" because they are so very different beyond the "surface details." The Left also includes eco-terrorists, animal rights extremists, and others who do organized violence. However, what also complicates things, is the further Left you go, generally the more anti-authority, anti-hierarchy, and anti-state they become. This is in sharp contrast to the Right, where we still find organized violence, but we find more adherence to authority and state the further Right we go. Basically, the Left will be harder to police because their is less likely to be central authority, i.e., Occupy Wall Street. Again, unlike the Right, where we found centrally organized and funded Tea Parties.

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

buddhist said:
If these hooligans and anarchists are not genuine leftists, then wouldn't you agree that the genuine leftist leaders should condemn and disavow them?

If they do not condemn and disavow, then they are implicitly giving their approval, even if they don't fully acknowledge them as part of the nice, tolerant left.

I agree, and Thom Hartman, Amy Goodman, Norman Goldman &al have all condemned them, as has The Nation, Alternet, Huffpost, Politico, Mother Jones and dozens of other sites and publications.
You can see the problem. Joe Sixpack is never exposed to these. The so called "left wing" media, like The New York Times, NPR, CNN, CBS &al are not left at all. They're corporate owned and run, and are loath to bite the hand that feeds them.

Sha'irullah · Feb 2, 2017

I hate to say it but leftist politics has become so Marxist in its approach the only thing that is viewed as a moral guidelines for sociopolitical action is aggression. When you make violence your central tool it is near impossible to make peace your main goal

Nietzsche · Feb 2, 2017

Sha'irullah said:
I hate to say it but leftist politics has become so Marxist in its approach the only thing that is viewed as a moral guidelines for sociopolitical action is aggression. When you make violence your central tool it is near impossible to make peace your main goal

Which is why we've had so many mass shootings performed by leftists and not the far-right. . .

. . .wait a minute

Valjean · Feb 2, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
And, of course, you can't lump Liberals, Marxists, and Anarchists anymore generally than "Left" because they are so very different beyond the "surface details." The Left also includes eco-terrorists, animal rights extremists, and others who do organized violence. However, what also complicates things, is the further Left you go, generally the more anti-authority, anti-hierarchy, and anti-state they become. This is in sharp contrast to the Right, where we still find organized violence, but we find more adherence to authority and state the further Right we go. Basically, the Left will be harder to police because their is less likely to be central authority, i.e., Occupy Wall Street. Again, unlike the Right, where we found centrally organized and funded Tea Parties.

Good points, but I take exception to designating the radical, environmentalist pacifists and animal rights 'extremists' you mentioned as terrorists. They may be an annoyance to developers and corporatists, but they don't terrify anyone.
Classifying financial critics and corporate dissidents as terrorists is right wing propaganda. The Sierra Club is not a terrorist organization.

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