What is wrong with those people that believe their book is eternal truth?

lewisnotmiller said:

Some might suggest your book guides you towards close-mindedness and self-righteousness, and that the alternative path is tolerance and personal responsibility.

I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

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Do you agree that there's homosexual behavior in some animals and that humans' behaviors
is different than the animals?

Are you with men having sex with other men?, IOW homosexuality.
Do you agree that men are free to be drug addicts if they wanted to?
Do you agree that women should be free in trading their bodies for money?

FearGod said:

It isn't about truth but about guidance.

The book is guiding us to the straight path, the path of purity, sincerity,
chastity, honesty, honor and doing the good deeds, that path isn't
suitable for you, the other path that we walk away from is the impurity,
prostitution, infidelity, adultery, drugs and alcohol.

We feel secure and happy in our way of life.

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Given a little incentive I could find a thousand books better suited to that purpose.

sovietchild said:

You should ask a pagan person to rate Islam as a pagan religion.

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Islaam is not a pagan religion at all.

That does not make it better in any way, though.

Paganism takes itself a lot more seriously than you seem to assume. It is not one and the same thing as "idolatry", at the very least.

icehorse said:

Given a little incentive I could find a thousand books better suited to that purpose.

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I can give you a few comicbooks, even.

This racist thread should be in the fascist section...I mean, OMG!

loverofhumanity said:

Each age has its own problems and requires its own unique solution. A panacea for one age is a poison to another so each religion and their Holy Book was only relevant for their age.

But there are 'eternal truths' contained in all Holy Books such as justice, mercy, love and compassion and these will last forever.

However the social laws and teachings were relevant not eternal. We can forever learn and apply the eternal truths that each religion teaches. They never become obsolete.

I have learnt love but also justice and in my mind a lot recently are the eternal truths taught by Zoroaster "good thoughts, good words and good deeds". See how these are eternal truths because no matter how long ago Zoroaster appeared, today, if we applied His Eternal Counsels, we would all be at peace.

There are relevant truths and temporary laws for each age but also there are the eternal truths like what Zoroaster and other Prophets taught.

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A sincere question... did you really learn these ideas from Zoroaster, or did you already know them and Zoroaster merely confirmed them?

PopeADope said:

This racist thread should be in the fascist section...I mean, OMG!

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racist how?

icehorse said:

racist how?

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I was joking, my bad

PopeADope said:

I was joking, my bad

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I think it must be me - that's twice now I've missed the joke. I think it must be an indication of what goes for "normal" responses - totally my bad.

icehorse said:

A sincere question... did you really learn these ideas from Zoroaster, or did you already know them and Zoroaster merely confirmed them?

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I learnt them from Zoroaster. I think 'good thoughts, good words and good deeds' is the most beautiful and noble way to be and it is a perfect guide to life.

MD said:

A book in which each word is true, and from God. A book that is true for all time, even a zillion years from now. Filled with myths and inaccuracies and stories of half men/half horse taxis to heaven. And still in Arabic, always to be in Arabic. Whose author was supposedly illiterate and whose guidelines on how to live life were written centuries after his death. And of course, the virgins.

And if you disagree with this eternal book in some countries you're jailed or executed, in other countries you're called 'racist' by liberals even if you share the same 'race' as the majority of the adherents.

So tell me, what is wrong with that? The great prophet Hitchens (greatness be upon him) said that there's nothing great with, and that it's bull****. Was he wrong?

Please, regards.

Thanks.

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You really hate Muslims.

Eosphorus said:

You really hate Muslims.

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I'd say it's criticism of Islamic ideas, not people - important distinction

MD said:

And if you disagree with this eternal book in some countries you're jailed or executed, in other countries you're called 'racist' by liberals even if you share the same 'race' as the majority of the adherents.

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Apparently, they didn't get the memo about how relative the truth is. Mostly, it is a product of low IQ's and damaged brains. We should stop giving them full consideration, or we deserve the suffering we receive.

Eosphorus said:

You really hate Muslims.

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What exactly is there to like? Islam stopped being relevant after the 13th century, exactly the time when they decided they're going to pick an arbitrary point in the middle ages and stay there. It's truly sad, they used to represent an enlightened culture...

Islam itself means slavery, and I was born with my own mind and my own two feet to stand on. If I was born to kneel why would I have legs? If I was born to be a slave why can I argue? These concepts refute anything to do with dogmatic religions in general. If Allah, Jehovah, or JC are all powerful then why can I just do what I want? It's easier to program a robot than deal with a spirited horse...

MD said:

A book in which each word is true, and from God. A book that is true for all time, even a zillion years from now. Filled with myths and inaccuracies and stories of half men/half horse taxis to heaven. And still in Arabic, always to be in Arabic. Whose author was supposedly illiterate and whose guidelines on how to live life were written centuries after his death. And of course, the virgins.

And if you disagree with this eternal book in some countries you're jailed or executed, in other countries you're called 'racist' by liberals even if you share the same 'race' as the majority of the adherents.

So tell me, what is wrong with that? The great prophet Hitchens (greatness be upon him) said that there's nothing great with, and that it's bull****. Was he wrong?

Please, regards.

Thanks.

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You have two sides, each one is considering the other to be alien..
One Side believe in the God of Nature that is able to do miracles..
And the other Side believe in the Abrahamic God who can do miracles..

Each side see the other to be blind!
With respect to you, your way of approaching this situation will lead you to nowhere..

One need to be objective to find the truth...
And the truth may be strange to the poor human!

Shia Islam said:

One need to be objective to find the truth...

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And to be objective, you have to admit your own biases. If you are a Muslim, your biases will often keep you from being objective. If you start off by thinking you've already been given all the answers - in the form of an old book - then you're already not being objective. Being objective means going wherever the evidence leads you, even if the evidence disagrees with your old book. If you can never admit that your old book is wrong, you cannot hope to be objective.

PopeADope said:

This racist thread should be in the fascist section...I mean, OMG!

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The truth isn't racist.

icehorse said:

And to be objective, you have to admit your own biases. If you are a Muslim, your biases will often keep you from being objective. If you start off by thinking you've already been given all the answers - in the form of an old book - then you're already not being objective. Being objective means going wherever the evidence leads you, even if the evidence disagrees with your old book. If you can never admit that your old book is wrong, you cannot hope to be objective.

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How can the truth about an eternal God be other thing than OLD?!!!

Hi Folks....

We should NEVER trust a religious book to give us Divine truth - it simply can NOT be done...

The thing is - REVELATION itself - the actual process of revealing of truth during a Divine communion - does NOT HAPPEN TO THE MORTAL MIND - not at all - and yet - it is then the mortal mind alone, struggling with the experience that will then attempt to write it down in some coherant meaningful way...

Look - you encounter the Divine, it is NOT a mortal occurrence at all - NOT a NORMAL every day "state of mind" that is used - NOTHING LIKE !!!

It really is crucial to understand - experience is always the best teacher - Gnosis is the key always....Such revelation of truth is delivered WHOLE and DIRECTLY to the mind - spirit to spirit - Soul to Soul...weve all seen the "Matrix" tight..?.... Remember Neo, first time he goes in the simulator - wakes up and says "Wow, I KNOW kung fu".......well look, that is EXACTLY how it works Folks - have a direct LEGITIMATE spiritual encounter and it will indeed be a telepathic Mind to Mind direct link - the whole and complete truth - all available information - the complete LOGIC of the truth will be delivered as one WHOLE CONCEPT that will be fed DIRECTLY into the "subconscious" mind (as most know it) - and look - it will then take perhaps years and years and years to resurface again to the mortal surface mind here, to be presented as some kind of oral or written VERSION of that truth - but understand it is not now the "whole" truth" any more - just the part the mortal mind grasped and deemed important...

So NO - for sure a big big NO - NEVER put absolute trust of faith in the words of a MAN - no matter what they say it will NEVER be the complete whole truth...I have said many many times -my posts are often very long and detailed , and yet, I could spend an entire lifetime writing of direct experiences and still, it would never convey the whole truth as I HAVE it - it MUST be delivered in that direct manner to become the LIVING truth - GNOSIS is the key ALWAYS - without it there is only half truth lies and errors - obviously...As always my mate said it best - to Thomas :

"Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."

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That is the key Folks - MIND to MIND - BECOME the Christ to understand Divine mystery - there is no other way - I and the Father ARE One - now the task is to BECOME like Me He said - share that DIRECT communion - KNOW the mind of the Father as your OWN mind...This truth MUST be delivered in this personal manner to be comprehended - you MUST literally become the thing you seek in order to understand it - take notice here that Christ NEVER wrote anything down did He -and He ALWAYS taught us to shun and avoid the religion, in favour of a secret INNER direct communion, didnt He..?....Yes He did, for those with ears to hear - you do NOT get Divine truth form a book or from a man - NEVER - all they bring is lies confusion error He said - shun all thta external religious malarky entirely - the thing we seek is already within us He said - seek THAT guidance always - learn how to have the DIRECT COMMUNION for the Self where no such middleman intermediary will lead you astray

Father Heathen said:

It's rather ironic considering that the notion of inerrant and immutable books serving as divine authority would by definition appear to a form of idolatry.

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It is a common error that comes from ignorance that thinks Christians worship the Bible. I have never heard in 40 years, anyone pray to their Bible or asking the Bible to save them.