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Show me someone who lost a child in battle and I'll show you a liar.

Burl

Active Member
The science behind the prophecy:

intrinsically by telling a lie we sacrifice(1) someone's liberty to base their actions on truth; we sacrificed them for our pleasure.

Battle has long been considered 'Glorious'(2) with Athena(3) in the thick of it.

Q.If war is the pleasure of the Gods from whom can they tally the host?
A. The vigor of them that would lie and kill for their pleasure.

(1)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice
(2)https://www.quora.com/Is-there-glory-in-war
(3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena
 

RationalSkeptic

Freethinker
The science behind the prophecy:

intrinsically by telling a lie we sacrifice(1) someone's liberty to base their actions on truth; we sacrificed them for our pleasure.

Battle has long been considered 'Glorious'(2) with Athena(3) in the thick of it.

Q.If war is the pleasure of the Gods from whom can they tally the host?
A. The vigor of them that would lie and kill for their pleasure.

(1)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice
(2)https://www.quora.com/Is-there-glory-in-war
(3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena

Do you mind making an actual point instead of spouting opinions and myths as facts?
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
The science behind the prophecy:

intrinsically by telling a lie we sacrifice(1) someone's liberty to base their actions on truth; we sacrificed them for our pleasure.

Battle has long been considered 'Glorious'(2) with Athena(3) in the thick of it.

Q.If war is the pleasure of the Gods from whom can they tally the host?
A. The vigor of them that would lie and kill for their pleasure.

(1)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice
(2)https://www.quora.com/Is-there-glory-in-war
(3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena
Clearly. And now, back to my Fruit Loops.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
The science behind the prophecy:

intrinsically by telling a lie we sacrifice(1) someone's liberty to base their actions on truth; we sacrificed them for our pleasure.

Battle has long been considered 'Glorious'(2) with Athena(3) in the thick of it.

Q.If war is the pleasure of the Gods from whom can they tally the host?
A. The vigor of them that would lie and kill for their pleasure.

(1)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice
(2)https://www.quora.com/Is-there-glory-in-war
(3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena

You're equating having children dying in battle with telling a lie?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The science behind the prophecy:

intrinsically by telling a lie we sacrifice(1) someone's liberty to base their actions on truth; we sacrificed them for our pleasure.

Battle has long been considered 'Glorious'(2) with Athena(3) in the thick of it.

Q.If war is the pleasure of the Gods from whom can they tally the host?
A. The vigor of them that would lie and kill for their pleasure.

(1)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice
(2)https://www.quora.com/Is-there-glory-in-war
(3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena
My sympathies.


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Burl

Active Member
This Fasting month is spiritual training and gives the opportunity to believers so that they improve in Taqwa (righteousness), establish virtues, get nearness of Allah the Exalted, get forgiveness of previous sins.

According to the saying of Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him)
Who ever fasted during the month of Ramadan in the state of Iman (belief) and tried to retrospect and fight his/her soul against sins, all of his/her previous sins will be forgiven.



Hazrat Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) said Taqwa is not a small thing, through it one fights with all those Satans which overpower human’s internal faculties. If there is little show off in one’s deeds, God rejects these. If there is no Taqwa, one’s revelation are not reliable, they can have Satanic share. Establish the model of Prophets who came to teach path of Taqwa. Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) is role model for us. If one wants to please God and wants to see miracles then one should make his life extraordinarily virtuous. To observe Taqwa is the root of everything. Taqwa means to avoid smallest of sins. If there is possibility of sin in some matter, avoid it. If one’s tongue, hand and feet or other body part is chaste, understand that his heart is pure. If one speaks ill, despite keeping fast one does not avoid mutual discord and calls bad names and does evil then consider his heart is impure too. It is requirement for Taqwa that one should be humble. Avoid unnecessary anger. I do not want people of my Jama'at may consider each other little or great, or show arrogance or belittle others. God knows who is little or great. People with Taqwa are those who walk with humbleness, who do not speak with arrogance. The one who observes Taqwa will reach high state. True wisdom cannot be achieved without returning to Allah the Exalted. To get success, use wisdom, ponder, read translation and commentary of Holy Quran. Pondering at Holy Quran gives progress in Taqwa. In this month of Ramadhan, make effort to cleanse self, purify your faculties. If you want to serve Deen, first observe Taqwa. Blessing of Allah the Exalted is always with those who observe Taqwa. The awe of Taqwa affects others. We should check whether we have discarded evils. Taqwa demands we should avoid lies. If a person’s words and deeds do not match, he is worthy of getting divine displeasure. My Jama'at should understand that they have come to me so that they shall be exalted into a fruitful tree. Every one of you should analyze his/her inner and outer self. If God forbid our Jama'at is also hypocrite then we shall not achieve a good ending. When Allah sees that a Jama'at that doesn't have anything in their hearts but proclaims a lot through their words, Allah does not care as He is all sufficient.

Just like a mole on face results in concern that it might grow very large to darken the entire face. Likewise, sinful acts also produce dark mole on the hearts. If the insignificant sins are not amended they can accumulate and lead to big sins and ultimately darken the entire heart (in figurative meaning).

May Allah help us achieve righteousness during the blessed month of Ramadan and help us be the members of Jama'at who try their best to refrain from bad deeds and who perform actions in order to gain the pleasure and love of Allah. May we come out of this blessed month in a manner that we may never again indulge in sins committed in the past. May Allah help us achieve our goals. (Ameen).

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Based on
Friday sermon (June 10, 2016) by Hazrat Khalifatul Messiah V (may Allah Help him with His Mighty Help), UK, alislam.org and mta.tv

For those of us with no choice but to send our children to battle may our righteousness be the proof of their safety.
 

Burl

Active Member
I don't mind telling you that I can't make heads or tails of the OP
Being atheist you wouldn't believe that the gods amuse themselves around the 'fire' of warfare (Isaiah 47:14
"Behold, they have become like stubble, Fire burns them; They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame; There will be no coal to warm by Nor a fire to sit before!)
My sympathies.
...Are with the bereaved.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It seems to me that expectations that Gods make it so that losing a child is a lie as opposed to a painful truth encourage atheism quite a bit, now that you mention it.
 

Burl

Active Member
Honesty in all situations is very difficult. I often hope people will stop asking me questions that embarrass me and cause me to fabricate a lie to protect my ego. Honesty is so difficult that I think no one can claim purity in that respect. Then how do we obtain mercy? By intending not to lie, by making a habit of watching our words and being aware of our transgressions in our pursuit to be truthful in all of our dealings with each other.

The claim in my deleted topic, that Jehovah is a liar when He claims not to demand the sacrifice of children to the fire and yet 'One Nation Under God' does just that thru Selective Service is our focus as we watch the world events and perhaps even that One Nation can influence the fate of their conscripts by the individual attempts of their parents at personal transformation.
 
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