Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Objection, Islam is not man-made. @Riverwolf
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If You Knew There Were No God
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Man-made...organized, structured, built around written scriptures with rules and promises and punishments. This very much fits many religions out there, mainly the organized mainstream ones. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and so on. You're also more likely to hear the sames types of things from them. Words such as "chosen" and "truth". Each holding they are the one way, the only way, the "truth". Each also has rules which dictate how people should live as well. Does make people easier to control when they believe that their religion is undeniable "truth". Write it down and make it "scripture" and you have a very nice control mechanism. That is man made reasoning if ever there was such a thing.
turk179
I smell something....
No insult was intended.
I'm agnostic. That should be all the evidence you need that I have no proof but for some reason I feel like to debate all the "proof" you have that Islam is the true religion should be done in another thread. If you have one up and would like to share it with me, send me a link.
What do you mean by "errors"?
If it's such a big deal to you to have the "right" religion, then it's up to YOU to try proving yourself wrong, not me.
Personally, I don't care about such trivialities.
Under the definition I provided of a man-made religion, it is. It was started by a single person and has no independent evidence of existing before that person lived.
It is a huge bet, fed by fear, and imposed upon others who have no use for it.
If Islam is not "man-made", then it must follow that God is... less than admirable.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
That is a a false view of when it was created because the Quran contradicts that Islam was created by man. So for you to say that is blatantly false. This is just a false view that is prevalent among this society. The Quran tells us to spread the word to others, i am doing this for you to make it into heaven. By errors, i mean statements made that are not proven to be accurate and have evidence behind them, specifically in scriptures. Anyways here is the following proof Islam is the truth and the God we believe in is real:
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%. Also, the Quran talks about the Big Bang Theory which was discovered in 1948. The Quran was revealed much before that discovery which proves that Islam is the truth.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%. Also, the Quran talks about the Big Bang Theory which was discovered in 1948. The Quran was revealed much before that discovery which proves that Islam is the truth.
Please. This thread is no place for proselistism (which is not really allowed by the forum rules either).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why would one think people will act differently?
turk179
I smell something....
Getting back on topic would probably be a good idea. This is a good way to do it...
I'm guessing there are some people who believe that religion makes them act nicer due to fear of eternal damnation or having no fear of acting like a jerk because they have been saved and will go to heaven no matter what.
You truly believe in such things? I would feel sorry for you.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Well, given that so many Christians seem to think that nothing holds an atheist back from raping and pillaging whole cities, you know, without following their god's moral imperatives, it is kind of scary to think how those people would fare with no belief in a god holding them at bay. If people think that having no religion means no morals and no restraint on actions, then those people need to be worried about should they "lose faith".
Circular logic.
The Phantom of the Opera book opens up by claiming the Opera Ghost to be real. Using this logic, the Opera Ghost is real because the book about the Opera Ghost says so. Of course, any reading of history would reveal that the story is entirely fiction (and, indeed, supposed to be fiction).
I don't care about Heaven.
Except that about 1000 years earlier, Aristotle proved that Earth is round using Lunar Eclipses. Furthermore, Eratosthenes calculated the diameter of Earth without ever leaving Alexandria, using the measurements of shadows at Noon; as far as we can tell, he was VERY close. He lived about 800 years before Islam.
Well, given that so many Christians seem to think that nothing holds an atheist back from raping and pillaging whole cities, you know, without following their god's moral imperatives, it is kind of scary to think how those people would fare with no belief in a god holding them at bay. If people think that having no religion means no morals and no restraint on actions, then those people need to be worried about should they "lose faith".
Honestly, I'm not too worried about it. I strongly suspect that many such people would still refrain from harmful actions, and just think they won't because they've been taught to not have any faith in themselves.
Of course, that doesn't apply to everyone who thinks that way.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And not too mention these religions are pretty much always very sensitive to not only the culture they came from, but also sensitive to the environmental conditions of these cultures. I find it to be no coincidence that ancient cultures that grew up around a major river of importance (such as the Nile) placed such heavy importance on those rivers up to the point of them having religious significance, because their very livelihoods and existence depended on those rivers and being able to "read" them.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That a religion is man-made can be said of all religions. No matter what, it was a man, and often times specifically men (especially once our species began to become less nomadic and more centralized), that had to say the words, word the letters, and convince others to follow them.
Scott C.
Just one guy
I wouldn't treat people differently, but I would change other big things in my life. I wouldn't try to keep the Sabbath. I wouldn't pay 10% tithing to my church, although I would give to other charities, but probably less than 10% of my income. I might have a beer or two now and then. If I were single, I would probably think sex was OK under certain circumstances. As a married guy, I would remain faithful. Rather than behave according to eternal and absolute standards of morality, I'd probably allow for relative morality based on changing circumstances. The way I view the world would be altered almost beyond what I can imagine. My life is so integrated into and based on my convictions of a God given purpose and future, that I can hardly imagine how I would adjust and what changes I would make. It would be depressing to see myself as no more than an animal, solely the product of evolution, no soul, no purpose, no next life, no meaning to life's events, just random sentient beings accidentally created by the whims of nature, experiencing random events of no meaning, here today, gone tomorrow. I don't think I could possibly see the world that way, as it's so counter intuitive to me.
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