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InChrist

Free4ever
Sin is not like a mountain, to be "eliminated forever". Sin comes from a free will and is like a volcano that can create a mountain at any moment. Then, why Jesus sacrificed? Whatever the answer is, it is not for eliminating the sin forever. Since the only way to do that is to make people evolve in a way that they will never abuse their free will. So we all CAN sin, but never WILL. And that is a transformation, or metanoia as Orthodox would put it, or becoming a Christ-like, that would eliminate the sin forever - for that single person only. And that transformation is not about to happen just because Christ died to make it work.
True, I agree sin comes from one exercising their freewill in wrong ways and in opposition to the will of God. Yet, the scriptures show that Jesus lived a life in perfect accordance with the will of His Father and exercised His human freewill perfectly without sin. So I see in the Bible that transformation takes place when a person places their faith in Christ, submits their will to Him, then an exchange takes place and His perfect, sinless, righteous life is applied to theirs forever.

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Cor. 5:21
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Yet, the scriptures show that Jesus lived a life in perfect accordance with the will of His Father and exercised His human freewill perfectly without sin.

What about when he whipped the living tar out of those moneylenders? Violence. Shouldn't he have turned the other cheek? How can you physically beat people up and still be considered "perfect?"

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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What about when he whipped the living tar out of those moneylenders? Violence. Shouldn't he have turned the other cheek? How can you physically beat people up and still be considered "perfect?"

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You can do better than that. They were not sinning against him so that HE should turn the other cheek. They were sinning against the poor people who were doing whatever they were told to do to please God.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
You can do better than that. They were not sinning against him so that HE should turn the other cheek. They were sinning against the poor people who were doing whatever they were told to do to please God.

So that makes whipping people with a bullwhip OK?

"Perfect?"
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What about when he whipped the living tar out of those moneylenders? Violence. Shouldn't he have turned the other cheek? How can you physically beat people up and still be considered "perfect?"

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Was it violence, or in the case of Jesus' two times throwing the money changers out of the temple ' zeal ' for God's ' House of Worship '? _________
His whip was used to drive out the sellers. First at the beginning of his ministry and then at the end of his ministry - John 2:13-15; John 2:16-17; Psalms 69:9; Matthew 21:11-13
 

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
Do you believe that all the authors of the Bible agree with one another (socially, theologically etc)?

Do you believe that non-Christians can go to heaven?

What are your views on sexuality?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Do you believe that all the authors of the Bible agree with one another (socially, theologically etc)?
Do you believe that non-Christians can go to heaven?

When the Bible is researched and studied by subject or topic arrangement then one can see the internal harmony among its many different writers.
According to Romans 6:7 the dead are freed or acquitted of sin.
That does Not mean now innocent but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick.
ALL who died before Jesus died - John 3:13 - can have a resurrection. Not to heaven, but a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
During Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth there will be earthly resurrections - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
At that time ALL of earth's nations will be healed according to Revelation 22:2.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Preference in expression?
1 John 1:7
This still needs the death of Jesus to bring resurrection to give the Christian life. The Passion. Life, Death, Resurrection.
So the fact that Jesus died for you is actually a sign of weakness instead of perfect sacrifice?
Past lives?
You were talking about Buddha. I figured that the topic of past lives factored into what you were saying.
but, the manner in which you (and other questions) answer it does not take into account that outsiders cannot see how what is written over 2,000 years ago can be applied literally to someone today.
That's because outsiders choose not to see.
For example, when I practiced Christianity, the faith/work was not from Christ to me but to me to Christ. If I read it from Christ to me, it meant nothing. Why? Because I am reading a story or dictation of who Christ is by intermediaries (Disciples) and not Christ himself. When I put myself in Christ's Passion, it means so much more. When I do things for Christ as he said, it meant more. When I became one with his physical body and blood it meant more. Faith alone meant nothing.
You cannot put yourself in the place of Christ, he carried the weight of the world when he went to the cross. Can you carry that burden?
So, it sounds like a metaphor when you say "the blood is applied to you".
Okay well, sex is a symbol of salvation and not the other way around. (If that's what you're trying to say...?)
Once you take the physical act and make it strictly from hearsay and words of the Bible, then it looses its meaning.
Not when you look for God to show up every day. When God shows up he does so to give you an opportunity to find faith in him or strengthen your faith in him.
That's not a bad or wrong. It just means that Jesus is a scapegoat and sacrifice for the sins Christians place on him in order for them to die IN Him by his Crucifixion and once dead, they rise again (born again) in his resurrection. The only way this can be is if one lives the Life of Christ to get to the point of his death and resurrection.
Well, the Bible does tell us to die to our sinful way of life and that Christians are crucified with Christ, but it is only that way through faith. The goal is not to get out of hell free, the goal is to walk with God here and now. (Colossians 3:5, Galatians 2:20)
Reliving the Passion within oneself.
To a certain extent I agree. This happens through sanctification, which is lifelong. How do you think Christians relive the passion?
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
I was wondering more about the afterlife of those born in a Christian country but are not Christian and led let's say an average decent life. And then what about those that never heard of Jesus.
Just as there are different levels of punishment for criminals, there are different levels of punishment for those who are outside of the Body of Christ (the church). Those who hear the Gospel and reject it are worthy of a worse punishment in the eyes of God, but those who never hear the Gospel are shown a certain amount of mercy. Still, I think there's hope for those who don't have any access to the Gospel, they can use the light that God has given all humans so that they might feel their way toward God as it says in Acts. But it takes divine intervention through human obedience for a person to learn the saving truth. God has made himself known through nature, conscience, and the Gospel. But only the Gospel can save a person, the rest just add to the knowledge of our human condition and how it is lacking in the eyes of God. I believe there are God-fearers out in the world that are in need of the Gospel. Being a God-fearer can help a person to a certain extent, but they do not have a relationship with God. Therefore, they are condemned but not as condemned as others.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Sure. For example, in the parable of the vineyard and the two sons, Jesus clearly says that God doesn't want words from us, but actions. In other words, he underlines that, if someone says they are Christians, but then don't act like one, they won't be saved. On the contrary, people who are not Christians, they can act like one, even if they don't believe in God. Other parables underline that it's love which saves us from our sins. Jesus read that woman's heart (the woman who washed his feet with her tears) and saw that her love saved her.
So, this contradicts all those passages in which Paul says that we are not saved by our merits, but by simply believing in Jesus and in His sacrifice.
What drove the woman to do that though? What drives the Christian to do good works? 1 John 4:8. God is not literally love, but he embodies it perfectly thereby becoming the perfect example of love.
This totally contradicts my beliefs about free will and how powerful strength of will is.
I believe in freewill to the extent that a person can choose what they believe and that as a result of that they follow the lead of what they believe. We are to a certain extent enslaved to our mentality of the way the world works. The statement I've replied to pretty much proves that. You put your faith in your freewill but what I want to know is has your will to do something ever failed you. I know from experience that my will fails me all the time. If we could make ourselves right there's no need for grace because grace is love we don't deserve. You cannot will yourself to think differently.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
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Please Reset. Im detecting saracism. A lot of things InChrist has explained well; so, Im just going to comment on how you express (or the words you personally use) your points and answers.

:herb: You quote on Chapter John.

There is no commentary from you. Please re-read. Christians have told me the same answers with the same citations.

Here is an example (to all Christian Citators) of what citation answers look like:

Im just learning my basic math. I ask the teacher, "what does 2 and 2 mean?" and the

Teacher says or writes on the board: Page. 34.

I look it up. 2 and 2 is 8 when 2 is added to the equation. But if thou adisth another 2 and minus it by 4 than thy arive at the answer which is hidden within yourself.

If you are doing :rolleyes: or :shrug: join the club.

Minor annoyence. Please us commentary.

So the fact that Jesus died for you is actually a sign of weakness instead of perfect sacrifice?

Assumption? or honst question?

A Christian life starts when he or she lives as christ, dies in his sin, and resurrects/born again into a new life to his father.

You cant be resurrected if you havent died.

I dont see how your question relates to my comment.
I also cant answer if its a weakness because I dont understand the context relate to that question.

You were talking about Buddha. I figured that the topic of past lives factored into what you were saying.

When The Buddha went among the poor, he sacrificed his time, effort, his ego (etc) to help others out of suffering/salvation so they end the cycle of birth and death (cause and affect from birth, age, sickness, and death). He did all of this without needing to sacrifice himself.

I asked why does Christianity use death to bring life. I gave an example (and contrast) that The Buddha stayed alive and went among the poor. Instead of sacificing his body, he stayed on earth in the hear and now to help people from suffering. The cycle of brith and death is just the cycle of birth, age, sickness, and death as a result from the causes/actions we make and te consequences/effects of them.

Once we are rid of that, there no suffering.

Has nothing to do with past lives. Just saying The Buddha did all this when he was alive and is doing it through his teachings. He didnt have to intentionally die to do so. He natually died and it was his teachings through many other Buddhas that have saved people.

Nothing to do with past lives.

That's because outsiders choose not to see.
Sometimes. I was an outside. I went inside. Got uncomfortable. Turned on the light in the room. Saw everything. I left.

We are not all blind just because we dont want to see what you see. Imagine, many christians trying to make others see what they see thinking that outsiders arent getting real site without their Glassess.

Replaying history here.
You cannot put yourself in the place of Christ, he carried the weight of the world when he went to the cross. Can you carry that burden?

That is why Catholics go through the Passion of Christ each year. That is also why their whole year wraps around His Passion so they DO go through it. They dont avoid it nor say they are resurrected and dont have to worry about it anymore.

I use Catholics because they are the closest to Christianity I have met. Catholics-Roman, Othorodox, and liturgical Churches Lutheran, Episcopalian, etc all in the same bunch. I dont see that in independent or modern denominational churches.

Aka: Thats my point of compass. The Church. Protestant views doesnt make sense when describing christianity. Its mostly because its all scripture. The Church has multiple means of understanding.

But since mainstream christianity isnt Catholicism, hearing other peoples views helpfu too.

Okay well, sex is a symbol of salvation and not the other way around. (If that's what you're trying to say...?)

If I told you that you are covered by the blood of my ancestors blessings and that all you have to do is believe in them, they will forgive you for all the wrong doings you have done today and generations connected to you, would you fall into it?

If you say no, why? Do you understand what I mean before you disagreed?

If you understood it, please explain it to me because I just replaced the nouns not context. Do you see how thats confusing to be literal in any sense of the word?

Not when you look for God to show up every day. When God shows up he does so to give you an opportunity to find faith in him or strengthen your faith in him.

Faith is abstract. I have faith in my ancestors. They exist. They are real. They will always be. If you ask me what I am asking you, I wouldnt tell you its because of faith because that is a perrsonal conviction. That is something each individual should know for himself.

If I want to explain it to a stranger, I need different and more concrete words for this type of subject. What other literal ways can you explaint he answer to this question (that I will look up and edit this since im on a roll before my tablet dies)

Well, the Bible does tell us to die to our sinful way of life and that Christians are crucified with Christ, but it is only that way through faith. The goal is not to get out of hell free, the goal is to walk with God here and now

Yes. I know.......?

To a certain extent I agree. This happens through sanctification, which is lifelong. How do you think Christians relive the passion?

Going back to my experiences, the Passion is lived from the birth of Christ to his resurrection each April; everyday.

I actually dont hear protestants talk about living te passion. They talk more about freedom from sin instead.
 
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RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Which is a bit self defeating.

Either you have a true sacrifice without victory, or a victory without a true sacrifice.

Ciao

- viole
God doesn't just raise people from the dead without reason. His sacrifice lead up to victory. Yes it is true that you can't have one without the other, but God permitted/planned Jesus' death for the purpose of raising him. God is victorious even in defeat.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
honst question?
Yes.
They talk more about freedom from sin instead.
We are free from sin when we crucify our sinful desires.
lease Reset. Im detecting saracism. A lot of things InChrist has explained well; so, Im just going to comment on how you express (or the words you personally use) your points and answers.

:herb: You quote on Chapter John.

There is no commentary from you. Please re-read. Christians have told me the same answers with the same citations.

Here is an example (to all Christian Citators) of what citation answers look like:

Im just learning my basic math. I ask the teacher, "what does 2 and 2 mean?" and the

Teacher says or writes on the board: Page. 34.

I look it up. 2 and 2 is 8 when 2 is added to the equation. But if thou adisth another 2 and minus it by 4 than thy arive at the answer which is hidden within yourself.

If you are doing :rolleyes: or :shrug: join the club.

Minor annoyence. Please us commentary.
No sarcasm. I thought for sure I saw something that said the blood covered sin from the Bible. I must have imagined that.
When The Buddha went among the poor, he sacrificed his time, effort, his ego (etc) to help others out of suffering/salvation so they end the cycle of birth and death (cause and affect from birth, age, sickness, and death). He did all of this without needing to sacrifice himself.
I asked why does Christianity use death to bring life.
Because God wanted to show just how far he was willing to go to redeem humanity. Jesus even said in the garden of Gethsemane that if the cup of God's wrath was able to pass over him that God would allow it to but not at the price of what the Father wanted.
Once we are rid of that, there no suffering.
Suffering is not just us doing the sinning, it's also being sinned against. It sounds like Buddha thinks that once you discipline yourself you can't be sinned against, that's just not the case. We not only need forgiveness from God, we need restoration. Once we are restored as far as dignity is concerned we can give forgiveness as well.
If I told you that you are covered by the blood of my ancestors blessings and that all you have to do is believe in them, they will forgive you for all the wrong doings you have done today and generations connected to you, would you fall into it?
No, cause your ancestors lived lives marred by sin because of our ancestor Adam.
That is something each individual should know for himself.
Right. Can I ask what your dead ancestors have done for you recently?
If I want to explain it to a stranger, I need different and more concrete words for this type of subject. What other literal ways can you explaint he answer to this question (that I will look up and edit this since im on a roll before my tablet dies)
I'm doing the best I can.
Yes. I know.......?
So the moment a person decides to repent and put their faith in Jesus it is as if they are crucified with Christ spiritually.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
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Your question: So, the fact that Jesus died for you is actually a sign of weakness isntead of perfect sacrifice?

Jesus didnt die for me. Many people have died for me to have my freedom, my identity, and my name.

My question was strictly about using Death to bring about Life. There are religions today that sacrifices animals so that the communities sins may be forgiven. It has nothing to do with the animal (or person), the fact is that death in Christianity is used to bring eternal life and I do not see the logistics in that.

It all goes down to the: The Nature of Blood.

Its hard on these RF boards to ask an honest question thats been asked so many times.

Since the Torah is part of the Bible, if someone practicing Judaism or Christian can explain the meaning of blood, that would hep greatly of understanding the meaning of sacrifice not just Jesus but any person--from our killing animals for relgious means to abortions, capitol punishments, and all the other things we do take a life, any life--to Spill Blood for another?

Understanding this in a philosophical and even political view will help me a lot.

Anyway.
No sarcasm. I thought for sure I saw something that said the blood covered sin from the Bible. I must have imagined that.

Why would you imagine that?

Because God wanted to show just how far he was willing to go to redeem humanity. Jesus even said in the garden of Gethsemane that if the cup of God's wrath was able to pass over him that God would allow it to but not at the price of what the Father wanted.
I guess a better question is, how is death the greatest means to redeem humanity? What about death in and of itself? Its probably more of a philosophical question.

The meaning of the word Death in society and how it affects people in a negative or positive way.

Suffering is not just us doing the sinning, it's also being sinned against. It sounds like Buddha thinks that once you discipline yourself you can't be sinned against, that's just not the case. We not only need forgiveness from God, we need restoration. Once we are restored as far as dignity is concerned we can give forgiveness as well.

That is the point of why many Buddhist disicipline themselves via The Buddhas teachings, is because they are sinned against and every one else is sinned against and to stop sinning on both sides, certain practices must be acheived to understand the nature of life not to make it blissful like walking on clouds. He taught so we understand in full the nature of birth, age, sickness, and death not devoid ourselves from it. When we change our perspectivevs and hep peach other, these things still will exist but we live together and work with each other through each stage of life until the next.

Forgivness in Buddhism from how I practiced is internal to external not external to internal. Its you forgivingg yourself and forgive others. People can forgive you whenever they want or if they want but from I will say my perspective, that means nothing if you dont forgive yourself. So forgiveness from god wouldnt mean anything if I didnt show forgiveness to myself.

Leaving Buddhism aside for now. I dont mean this in a condesending way. If you learn the context of what The Buddha actually taught in his suttas and practiced it, then statements youre make about his teachings will show false. Like Christianity, it cant be taken at face value.

No, cause your ancestors lived lives marred by sin because of our ancestor Adam.

No. None of them did. No one lives im marred of sin regardless of the time period they lived in.

Right. Can I ask what your dead ancestors have done for you recently?
First, they are not dead. All our families are alive. In my faith, I choose to work and get to know them in my religious walk because they are the origins of who I am and where I am from and so forth. Without them, I would not be here.

Recently, gosh.... almost got hit by a car, grandmother knocked me to the side. (Testimony written in dozen posts along these RF boards). Ive heard family yell in my ear....an internal NO for something I wanted to do and glad I didnt tdo. Scared the living day lights out of me.

My ancestors (sounds like a pop phrase these days, it is not) watch over me as yours watch over you. Like other spirits, if you want to know them, you get to get to know them just like any human being.

In my faith, nothing is special or supernatual. Yes, we pass away AND our spirit still lives on. Anyway, to much testimony and Im a poet, so I like to philosophize.

I will turn this around,

What has Christ litereally done for you or even said to you?

I mean, I actually heard voices and I actually saw spirits. I actually Know who helped me and at other times I do not know. I have faith/trust in whomever I work with but not faith/hope because I KNOW.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
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@RedDragon94 I forgot this was comparative religion.
I would love to understand the nature of blood in Judaism, Christianity, and assuming Muslim? I dont know. As for my faith, if you want to know more abotu what or what I believe in, please ask me. I dont mind sharing as long as if we are respective and if there is a debate, we learn something from each other rather than a one sided debate. Annoys the mess out of me.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
God doesn't just raise people from the dead without reason. His sacrifice lead up to victory. Yes it is true that you can't have one without the other, but God permitted/planned Jesus' death for the purpose of raising him. God is victorious even in defeat.

Which means it was never a sacrifice to start with, right? Or at least, not a very big one.

Ciao

- viole
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
A human being is basically a product of theistic evolution that can partake in a relationship with God. But, he is in need of God's grace because of out forefather Adam's sin. Adam was the first primate to evolve into a human.
How can there be such a person? Evolution is a process of gradual change, there's no particular point at which one becomes human, at least not from a scientific standpoint. Is there a theological reason to believe in such a person?
 
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