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How does one fight an alien invasion?

Whiterain

Get me off of this planet
We might get lucky.
Washing up liquid might melt them!
Where's my water-pistol! :D

That's a horrible film. I thought it was great, Gibson fan, until the ending. They did terrific the suspense up to that point.

The best alien movie series is uh V.

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Reptoids, man, they're so cool. If that's what Satan is you can have all my beer.
 
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Marisa

Well-Known Member
But what if they never devlop the concept of war. Maybe on their planet there are only two species and they evolved peacefully. But now due to overpopulation because of their peaceful ways, they've flown to earth looking for more land.
If they're peaceful, why would we need to "defeat" them? If they're peaceful, why wouldn't we want to learn as much from them as they are willing to teach us?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
That's a horrible film. I thought it was great, Gibson fan, until the ending. They did terrific the suspense up to that point.

Sure...... :D
But...... well...... you know........ maybe substances which are benign or beneficial to us would be poison to them.
The Triffids didn't like saltwater...... but that was 50 odd years ago...!
I just hope that when they come their females are turned on by retired English perverts, like me! Yeah...... :p
 

Whiterain

Get me off of this planet
Anybody like the Reptoids?
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Maybe they're real, maybe they have some basis in myth like the Gorgons.

Hell, Maybe it's what Athena is! :eek::eek::eek:

There are a few free Episodes of the new "V" on Amazon. I didn't catch it while it was running but it's super high budget show.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Yeah, the distinction between which of those three REALLY makes a difference. If it's the first, making us cost more through attrition, terrorism, and wonton destruction then we are worth on alien slave-and-or-meat markets might work.

Repopulation might have some interesting options, but it is again to vague. The morbid, but effective, question I want to know is... do the aliens value the life of their offspring??

But if they are here to relocate, then fighting them and making us "not worth the effort" of conquest is likely a really bad idea. Since these aliens have the option of: forcibly settle earth or die, they will fight to the death.

The distinction between the first motive and third motive literally turns a good idea into a terrible one, which is why I again think we need more information before we can answer.



Fair assumption.



Weird and completely baseless assumption. Occasionally the conquerors can outnumber the natives. Imagine a large empire with a large military conquering a tiny island with a small tribe on it. In that case, the invaders could very well outnumber the islanders. Now swap out the word "island" for "planet".



Again fair assumption.



Not what I meant as in "how". If the aliens don't need our food, they might target our farmlands to starve us out, or they want our farmlands and try to capture them and not destroy. The same is true for any of our natural resources. Perhaps they could use our oil. Perhaps they have no need for it and thus target the resource to cripple us.

They might try for "shock-and-awe" style tactics and target civilians in order to scare us into surrender. Then again, these aliens might have a religion that limits what they are allowed to do in warfare, similar to Islam, and might find it unholy or evil to target noncombatants. Or they might have some sort of Cosmic United Nations equivalent preventing them from using chemical weapons against us, or other classes of weapons.

They might target our military first, or they might target our economy first in order to cripple the military.

They might come in through brute force, or they may try to invade by political subversion and manipulation. It could either be War of the Worlds or They Live depending on anything.

They might wage their campaign of conquest in the open, or they may be fans of espionage and covert warfare.

They might be motivated by greed, in which case they'll fight conservatively and carefully, not risking expenses, or they might be motivated by ideology, in which case they may fight to the death.

They might be united in their motives to conquer us, or there may be aliens within their society sympathetic to us and willing to help us.

All of these factors, and more decisively affect what the best way to counter the alien threat is. Currently, I don't have enough information to say what the best strategy would be.

I don't really think it's a weird and completely baseless assumption... Often in war there will be lots of invaders invading a country, and the country all together outnumbers the invaders. But others seem to think that just because they are more advanced they'd automatically win. I remember Ethiopia fighting off against Italy during WW2 and they drove them off. Italy could have crushed them if they gave everything but it would have been too much effort. It's easier to drive off invaders than it is to conquer an entire area.

Besides I don't think there'd be billions upon billions of ships around the planet. I'm sure they have an economy like we do and it wouldn't be likely unless their entire planet was messed up and they wanted to relocate, but there's nothing saying that they'd have billions of people like we do on Earth. Not all planets have the same population as we do. I don't think we'd lose. I mean, a bunch an ants can overwhelm a dinosaur, if there's enough of them.
 

Salek Atesh

Active Member
but there's nothing saying that they'd have billions of people like we do on Earth. Not all planets have the same population as we do.

Exactly my point, good sir. Imagine a population to which our billions is considered tiny. Perhaps they have such a large nation and population that our billions can be dwarfed by their military.

Again, due to vagueness, there's nothing to say they aren't smaller then us, but there's also nothing that says they aren't vastly larger then what we could even imagine.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Exactly my point, good sir. Imagine a population to which our billions is considered tiny. Perhaps they have such a large nation and population that our billions can be dwarfed by their military.

Again, due to vagueness, there's nothing to say they aren't smaller then us, but there's also nothing that says they aren't vastly larger then what we could even imagine.

They could have quite a lot, especially if their planet was the size of Jupiter or bigger. But it also depends on what they plan to do. Enslave us or destroy us. If they wanted to destroy us they'd send everything they had, and maybe have sort of a vampiric nature where they want to absorb people and the planet's energy and move on to the next planet. But I figure they'd want to enslave us so they wouldn't send as many. If they want control, people would have to be passive and not resist unless they have some sort of mind control powers or technology.

Maybe some aliens wouldn't even have advanced tech like we usually think but are actually magical in nature. Alien sorcerers, really, and could come in through dimensional portals instead of ships. But I can only imagine how advanced their tech is. I mean we can destroy entire cities with one bomb so I wonder how advanced they'd be.
 

Salek Atesh

Active Member
They could have quite a lot, especially if their planet was the size of Jupiter or bigger.

Who says they only have one planet??

But it also depends on what they plan to do. Enslave us or destroy us.

Was part of my original point. Much too many undefined variables. Whether they want to enslave, destroy, or other changes what we should do to best counter them.

Plus there's other crazy motives to consider. Such as space-Vikings who attack, grab some of our resources, and take off.

Or they could have some sort of political ideology that makes them think they are "liberating" us from our "oppressive" leaders, and are invading for our own good.

If they wanted to destroy us they'd send everything they had, and maybe have sort of a vampiric nature where they want to absorb people and the planet's energy and move on to the next planet. But I figure they'd want to enslave us so they wouldn't send as many. If they want control, people would have to be passive and not resist unless they have some sort of mind control powers or technology.

I think that should be the other way around. If they wanted to destroy, that'd be easier then enslaving or controlling. They'd need MORE for those things.

Take the US and Japan in WWII. When the US wanted to control or conquer part of Japan, they sent hundreds and hundreds of men to invade. When they wanted to destroy part of Japan, they sent one plane.

Control is a lot harder.

Maybe some aliens wouldn't even have advanced tech like we usually think but are actually magical in nature. Alien sorcerers, really, and could come in through dimensional portals instead of ships. But I can only imagine how advanced their tech is. I mean we can destroy entire cities with one bomb so I wonder how advanced they'd be.

Again, many variables. No good answer can be made to the original question until we know what the variables are.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Who says they only have one planet??



Was part of my original point. Much too many undefined variables. Whether they want to enslave, destroy, or other changes what we should do to best counter them.

Plus there's other crazy motives to consider. Such as space-Vikings who attack, grab some of our resources, and take off.

Or they could have some sort of political ideology that makes them think they are "liberating" us from our "oppressive" leaders, and are invading for our own good.



I think that should be the other way around. If they wanted to destroy, that'd be easier then enslaving or controlling. They'd need MORE for those things.

Take the US and Japan in WWII. When the US wanted to control or conquer part of Japan, they sent hundreds and hundreds of men to invade. When they wanted to destroy part of Japan, they sent one plane.

Control is a lot harder.



Again, many variables. No good answer can be made to the original question until we know what the variables are.

That's mainly the reason why people wage war: Territory and/or resources. Nevertheless there are usually less invaders than those who have the home base which is us, and of course we have the advantage of the home base as we know our planet better then they do, can spring traps, ect. And of course just because they are more advanced, doesn't mean they necessarily have a gift of strategy, as they might just be brutes who just plow their way through. They could have one planet or many but who knows really. I can only imagine how difficult it'd be to control all of that territory. It's hard enough controlling an empire, imagine controlling a galactic empire.

They could appear to be benevolent, which might be more likely as those who want to control usually try to appear good. Maybe they would claim that they want to protect us from another alien group when in fact, they are already working for the alien group they claimed was bad in order to trick us.

We don't even have to defeat them necessarily, but just drive them off. Maybe we'd resist so much, they would think that all of this trouble is not worth it and they fly off. Sometimes more powerful enemies can be driven off through sheer resistance and giving them more trouble, even though they could crush you if they really tried, it would waste too many soldiers and money and it wouldn't be worth it in the long run.
 

Salek Atesh

Active Member
That's mainly the reason why people wage war: Territory and/or resources.

Or ideology. Which greatly effects how war is waged. A person after your territory or resources will back off once it is not profitable to fight. A person fighting for ideology will fight to the death, because they're motivated by something they think is greater than themselves.

Plus, while land, resources, or ideology are the majority of the reasons people fight... well, the aliens aren't exactly "people."

Nevertheless there are usually less invaders than those who have the home base which is us, and of course we have the advantage of the home base as we know our planet better then they do, can spring traps, ect. And of course just because they are more advanced, doesn't mean they necessarily have a gift of strategy, as they might just be brutes who just plow their way through. They could have one planet or many but who knows really. I can only imagine how difficult it'd be to control all of that territory. It's hard enough controlling an empire, imagine controlling a galactic empire.

They could appear to be benevolent, which might be more likely as those who want to control usually try to appear good. Maybe they would claim that they want to protect us from another alien group when in fact, they are already working for the alien group they claimed was bad in order to trick us.

We don't even have to defeat them necessarily, but just drive them off. Maybe we'd resist so much, they would think that all of this trouble is not worth it and they fly off. Sometimes more powerful enemies can be driven off through sheer resistance and giving them more trouble, even though they could crush you if they really tried, it would waste too many soldiers and money and it wouldn't be worth it in the long run.

You just keep giving more potential scenarios which reinforce my point: Without knowing exactly how the enemies attack, what they are like, what they are capable of, how strategic they are, etc. we have no way of adequately answering the question of how we should respond to them.

It's the Art of War!! We need to know our enemy before we can do anything.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Or ideology. Which greatly effects how war is waged. A person after your territory or resources will back off once it is not profitable to fight. A person fighting for ideology will fight to the death, because they're motivated by something they think is greater than themselves.

Plus, while land, resources, or ideology are the majority of the reasons people fight... well, the aliens aren't exactly "people."



You just keep giving more potential scenarios which reinforce my point: Without knowing exactly how the enemies attack, what they are like, what they are capable of, how strategic they are, etc. we have no way of adequately answering the question of how we should respond to them.

It's the Art of War!! We need to know our enemy before we can do anything.

I'm not really reinforcing your point, I'm just explaining different reasons. Sometimes you don't have time to know your enemy, but knowing your surroundings give you an advantage. Ideology can be a reason, but most of the time it's territory and resources. Also what do you mean that aliens aren't people...they are life forms like us, they have civilizations...I don't see how it doesn't make them people. After all we are aliens to every other life form. Are we not people, too? I don't understand.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
What if they like carbon dioxide, plastic, and radioactive isotopes?
Maybe they won a century ago and are now waiting for perfection, like a top vintner.
Tom
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I always wondered why this doesn't get talked about more than zombie Apocalypse serving how aliens invading us is much more likely than the undead attacking us. Still we just know that they are more advanced. But I don't think they as powerful as people like to think. Everything has a weakness. Sometimes being more advanced is a handicap. When something complicated goes wrong, the consequences are greater. Such as when we transport oil and have oil spills that mess up our environment or nuclear meltdowns.
 

Leftimies

Dwelling in the Principle
I am under the assumption that if a civilization could master faster than light technology, and literally be able to manipulate/warp the space, the implication of that technology is (again, in my very poor understanding of the matter) that any such race could possibly be able to wipe out large portions of the universe itself. Isn't this kind of technology somewhat intertwined with the black holes and other things like them? I just cannot see them being bothered to wage a war where a species of our caliber really gets a say; not only would we be deprived of any agency in such a war, we would probably be killed while completely ignorant of the threat. And really, for what reason? For water, our planet? Rather ridiculous. They'd be probably able to engineer habitable megastructures in space that would be able to support natural-like biospheres.

Once again, I see no evidence of such races out there that could've mastered such technology. We'd know of them, right? There would be some subtle traces of their intergalactic travels? Or the wars they'd fight using such advanced technology. I am not sure. Perhaps the nature of reality does not permit FTL travel and the technology associated with it? Who knows if excessively using such technology would somehow mess with the natural expansion of the universe itself and cause its collapse.

I call the Great Filter and Fermi Paradox on this!
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Once again, I see no evidence of such races out there that could've mastered such technology. We'd know of them, right? There would be some subtle traces of their intergalactic travels?

Not necessarily, the universe is just so vast and there are billions of planets to visit. Also it's quite possible that the speed of light is an absolute limit, in which case it would take billions of years to travel across the universe.
I can't see why an advanced civilisation would even bother with us.
 

Rapha

Active Member
Nothing to worry about.

The alien invasion is a lie to cause fear. Then the Illuminati uses their negative entities to absorb the low vibration fear by using Ethereal Spiders. These are similar to the creatures crawling over Neo's cell in The Matrix.

The alien invasion will be Project Bluebeam (illusion). Remember the asteroid that was caught on a Taxi TV in Bangkok recently. It just vanished. No physical impact, no sound blast like the real meteorite that exploded over Moscow.

Like President Reagan said 'this world needs a common enemy'. An alien lie would divert the anger away from the elite perfectly.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
I suppose space-aliens might visit our planet for amusement or educational purposes, rather like we would visit a zoo. There are probably signs as you leave the spacecraft: "Don't feed the humans". :p

...or maybe "Don't eat the humans?" For some aliens we might be a tasty snack or even a delicacy!
 
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