Is the Messiah(pbuh) required religious war and build Temple to invite him ?

Pastek said:

Non, tu l'as mal compris.
Il a dit qu'il avait un problème avec les chrétiens sionnistes qui pensent ceci et celà, puis il a ennoncé les différents points avec lesquels il est en désaccord justement avec certains chrétiens sionnistes.
Or toi tu as cru que c'était ce que lui pensait, erreur ... Il y'a donc un problème de compréhension de ta part, il n'a absolument pas changé de version entre temps.

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j'espere bien ma sœurs , mais j'ai un autre avis , jusqu’à maintenant .

le seul mot qui montre , qui'l contre les Chrétiens sionnistes c'était le mot " unpleasant" , le rest c'est pour Chrétiens sionnistes .

tu dit "il est désaccord aver juste certains " ; c'est à dire , mais il est pour/d'accord avec la majorité ?

Godobeyer said:

j'espere bien ma sœurs , mais j'ai un autre avis , jusqu’à maintenant .

le seul mot qui montre , qui'l contre les Chrétiens sionnistes c'était le mot " unpleasant" , le rest c'est pour Chrétiens sionnistes .

tu dit "il est désaccord aver juste certains " ; c'est à dire , mais il est pour/d'accord avec la majorité ?

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C'est pas pour être insultant, mais c'est vraiment grave que tu ne comprenne toujours pas, après que ça t'aie été expliqué à plusieurs reprises, et en plusieurs langues.
Levite a clairement dit qu'il est ravi d'avoir du support pour le sionisme chez le Chrétiens, mais qu'il est toujours douteux de leurs motivation.
Il a ensuite procédé à expliquer quels sont ces motives. Parmi ces motives, il a démontré que certains Chrétiens sionistes croient que quand les Juifs seront dans leurs terre, que ça causera une guerre avec les pays d'autour. Dans ce cas, les pays d'autour sont des pays Arabes. Le résultat de cette guerre sera que Jésus sera de retour pour prendre le trône en tant que Messie.

Quand il a dit "Il est en désaccord avec certains", ils parlent des certains Chrétiens Sioniste qui croient justement en cette théologie. Ce ne sont pas tous les Chrétiens qui croient en ça.

Encore une fois, ce n'est pas ce que Levite croit. C'est ce que Levite dit que le Chrétiens Sionistes croient. Je ne vois vraiment pas comment ça peut toujours être confusant pour toi après toutes ces explications.

@Levite I tried my best man, even in French. I'm hoping he will finally get it, but don't hold your breath because even though Pastek already tried explaining it in French, Godobeyer is still contesting it and saying you agree with the majority of Christian Zionists.

dantech said:

@Levite I tried my best man, even in French. I'm hoping he will finally get it, but don't hold your breath because even though Pastek already tried explaining it in French, Godobeyer is still contesting it and saying you agree with the majority of Christian Zionists.

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Oy yoy yoy. Where's that facepalm icon now that we need it...?

Thanks, man.

I am little confused what is mean "run into" in the sentence

The one I run into quite a bit is the notion that Christians must support the return of the Jewish exiles to the holy land because when enough of them get there, they will start an apocalyptic war with the Muslims, in which the bulk of both will be wiped out, signifying the impending return of Jesus and the ascension of Christianity to world domination. They don't usually phrase it quite so bluntly, but that's what it boils down to.

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I have also occasionally run into the notion that Christians must support the return of the Jews to the holy land because that is where they are prophesized to gather when Jesus returns to judge them and throw them all into Hell. And the notion that Christians should support the return of the Jews to the holy land because it is only when they return to their homeland and are unable to find peace there that "they will truly understand their need for the salvation of Jesus."

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run into - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

it's mean : He against notion ....etc, or He with notion ....etc ?

Godobeyer said:

I am little confused what is mean "run into" in the sentence

run into - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

it's mean : He against notion ....etc, or He with notion ....etc ?

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It doesn't mean either one.

To "run into" an idea or notion means that one has heard or learned of it.

In the examples you asked about, it mean's that he has heard Christians expressing those ideas.

Godobeyer said:

I am little confused what is mean "run into" in the sentence




run into - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

it's mean : He against notion ....etc, or He with notion ....etc ?

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C'est une expression qui veut dire qu'il a "entendu parler" d'une idée, ou d'une notion dans ce cas.

Something we could all learn from this thread is the difficulty of overcoming the barriers to communication when language and culture and preconceptions set obstacles at the same time.

They multiply each other.

Tom

So it's seems i had misunderstood Levite

I personally apologize to him for this misunderstood

Godobeyer said:

j'espere bien ma sœurs , mais j'ai un autre avis , jusqu’à maintenant .

le seul mot qui montre , qui'l contre les Chrétiens sionnistes c'était le mot " unpleasant" , le rest c'est pour Chrétiens sionnistes .

tu dit "il est désaccord aver juste certains " ; c'est à dire , mais il est pour/d'accord avec la majorité ?

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J'ai dis "certains d'entre eux" car il se peut que certains chrétiens sionnistes pensent autrement.

En règle générale -d'après ce que j'ai vu/lu dans ce forum et ailleurs- les juifs sont partagés sur les chrétiens sionnistes, qui certes les soutiennent mais le font pour certaines raisons, telles que vouloir les convertir au christianisme ou le fait que ces chrétiens attendent une guerre contre les musulmans. Et c'est ce qu'il expliquait justement.

Copie-colle le texte de Levite sur ce site et tu verras que tu t'es trompé : Reverso | Free online translation, dictionary

Godobeyer said:

So it's seems i had misunderstood Levite

I personally apologize to him for this misunderstood

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I wish more westerners put as much effort into communicating with others as you do. It would be a better world.

Tom

I'm curious why it took so long for Godobeyer to admit that he was mistaken. Multiple people attempted to explain his error and he ignored everyone. It seems to me that he really wanted his erroneous beliefs to be true.

Godobeyer said:

So it's seems i had misunderstood Levite

I personally apologize to him for this misunderstood

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No worries.

Edit: "No worries" is an idiomatic way of saying that I accept your apology, and it was not a big deal.

Godobeyer said:

and mahasn ebn sawresho said before that he hate Jewish faith , and instead of apologize to Jews , he apologize to me !!! don't you ?

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Godgave us a mind-.
I told you there is a bug in the transmission and also write
And you you repeat the same words-.-
Iclearmy position on Jews-.-
I have shares in Arabic
Nameof civilizeddialogue forum
And the many topics where Jews and defend their faith
And I tell you
Iannounce herethat theJews havethe right ofJewishstatehood
The Arabs and Muslims to recognize this right
Do yougainfromthese words

Akivah said:

I'm curious why it took so long for Godobeyer to admit that he was mistaken. Multiple people attempted to explain his error and he ignored everyone. It seems to me that he really wanted his erroneous beliefs to be true.

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maybe in other case , someone else will never admit , his misunderstood .

my late or early, that's depend on :

what make me doubt that Levite don't permit me to paste his post here . and my friend who suppose had English than me who live in USA misguide me confirme me "they swithing words" ,and plus i request the help (PM) ,then i had no reponse, that what make me doubt more , thats it .

Anyway , arrive late is better than not arrive at all ,

EDITED to explain " help"

plus i request the help (PM)

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I sent request by PM "help" ,is for explain Levite post, NOT to support my "wrong" opinion.

mahasn ebn sawresho said:

Godgave us a mind-.
I told you there is a bug in the transmission and also write
And you you repeat the same words-.-
Iclearmy position on Jews-.-
I have shares in Arabic
Nameof civilizeddialogue forum
And the many topics where Jews and defend their faith
And I tell you
Iannounce herethat theJews havethe right ofJewishstatehood
The Arabs and Muslims to recognize this right
Do yougainfromthese words

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Yes, you did not said "i hate jews" , you said "i really hate the Jewish"

check
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:What If Your Country Becomes Islamic | Page 20 | ReligiousForums.com

Godobeyer said:

Hi all

i decide to open new thread to discuss , because i replied in non-member DIR , so the Staffs deleted all my comments and questions, in that DIR .

I read a reply interensting reply of Rabi in that DIR , which is meaning "the Chrisitnas must support Jews to back to Jewish homeland, If there was enough jews in jewish homeland , they will start apocalyptic war with Muslims"

as understand that Jewish Rabi meaning :" the return of Jesus required support the Jews to return homeland " !!!

My questions in that DIR was about , that Rabi don't believe in Jesus (pbuh) in first place , and he used term " Jesus" as motivation to Christians to support the Jews .

and most important question , Jesus (pbuh) will return to Jews or Christians ?

are the Muslims an obstacle of return of Jesus (pbuh) ? , and before the Muslims who was the obstacle the Romans ?

so the zionists Jews and zionists Christains must wipe out the Muslims to let Jesus (pbuh) back ?

Is the Messiah(pbuh) required religious war and build Temple to invite him ? as Dish and Satellite system ?

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I can't speak for Christians or Jews on this point. I can say that regardless of how people feel about Yeshua/Jesus, there is an obvious conflict coming between the messiah and the Islamic world in general. The Hebrew Scriptures contain many future prophecies concerning the messiah fighting against Islamic nations. Actually, I will be so bold as to say that EVERY prophetic passage which speaks of the future messiah fighting is against Islamic nations!

Here is one of the many "end times" passages which make this case:

1For, behold, in those days, and in that time,When I shall bring back the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,2I will gather all nations, (hyperbole…meaning the surrounding nations) And will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there For My people and for My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations, And divided My land. 3And they have cast lots for My people; And have given a boy for an harlot, And sold a girl for wine, and have drunk.

4And also what are ye to Me, O Tyre, and Zidon (Hezbollah controlled), and all the regions of Philistia/Gaza (Hamas controlled)? will ye render retribution on My behalf? and if ye render retribution on My behalf, swiftly, speedily will I return your retribution upon your own head. 5Forasmuch as ye have taken My silver and My gold, and have carried into your temples My goodly treasures; Joel 3: 1-5

The old and new testaments indicate that Jews would again inhabit the area in and around Jerusalem.
It is also written that Jerusalem will be central to world events and tensions leading up to a time of great trouble.
That time of trouble involves the whole world.
That time of trouble is not about Jews starting an apocalyptic war with Muslims.
In fact, it is more about other world powers attempting to take advantage -for their own gain -of the tensions which already exist.