dantech
Well-Known Member
This coming from those who side with a terrorist group.
So tell me, will you be sending your kids to camp this summer?
I hear Hamas are doing wonderful things!
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To those opposed to the Israeli Offensive in Gaza
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This coming from those who side with a terrorist group.
So tell me, will you be sending your kids to camp this summer?
I hear Hamas are doing wonderful things!
dantech
Well-Known Member
You guys are just too easy. Thank you for proving exactly what's written in the OP.
Criticism, yet no real reasonable solution.
But yeah, you're pro-human rights, you're not anti-Semitic at all!
Meanwhile in Iraq...
I have many possible solutions but they won't happen because people are too stupid.
Nah, I'm not anti-Semitic. I don't hate Semitic people.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
And I hear the war pigs in Israel are doing the exact same thing as Hamas
Israel’s Toy Soldiers
Like my master said "Let them who are without sin cast the first stone"
I smell hypocrisy and it is coming from your direction.
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Hi brother Saint
It's seems it's becomes a habit , each time when someone critic an Israeli crime or jewish beliefs , he/she should introduce or concluse by sentence :
"I am not anti-semitic"
is not boring ?
me i get bored
Hi brother Saint
It's seems it's becomes a habit , each time when someone critic an Israeli crime or jewish beliefs , he/she should introduce or concluse by sentence :
"I am not anti-semitic"
is not boring ?
me i get bored
I guess all those Jews who protest against the crimes of the Israeli government and military are anti-Semites, too, including the Israeli Jews who do so!
It's completely ridiculous and they need to stop it.
loverOfTruth
Well-Known Member
Really ? Hear the real history of Israeli Occupation from an Israeli Jew who served in IDF and who's father was an Israeli general.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ&list=WL&index=101
Anyone who has an iota of interest/sympathy regarding the issue of Palestine/Israel should absolutely watch this eye-opening video where he clears so many myths that are propagated as facts by the Zionists.
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As long as "injustice" is defined by what happened over 60 years ago and ignoring it allows the deaths that are happening now to stop, then I guess I like injustice just fine, thank you very much.
There is something to that, of course. But how much of what happened that far back can I learn that way?
I couldn't live with myself if I did not. Not by the definitions of those terms you are insisting on using.
Read your posts between #42 and #58 again, please, and then see if that is what I did.
Many countries have a draft of some kind for teenagers at or around eighteen years of age.
Amen to that. Questions of past justice and injustice might be taken into consideration, but the greatest injustice of all would be to allow them to stand in the way of a fair and just peace.
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Two days ago the above options were just about 'it'.
But more and more people are finally asking, 'Who built the Hamas tunnels?'
It is beginning to look as if 'child-labour' and 'forced labour' could well be the answer.
And as the World's armchair critics (that's mostly us, folks) wake up to Hamas treatment of children (and innocents) in Gaza, so we begin to ask new questions, such as 'What else are Gaza children and innocents forced to do?'
A real concern is that when the Israeli's start to discover and destroy all the tunnels..... that Hamas might fill them with children and innocents. That could be something new for fireside humanitarians to rage against Israel over.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Nothing excuses or justifies the slaughter of innocents, blaming your enemy for 'forcing you' to do so is no excuse whatsoever.
Moroever, taking such an approach drives Palestine ever further towards radicalism and thus can serve only to reduce security over time. When people are using excuses such as that of Golda Mier and truly believing that Israeli soldiers are forced to kill innocents, your cause is lost.
Moroever, taking such an approach drives Palestine ever further towards radicalism and thus can serve only to reduce security over time. When people are using excuses such as that of Golda Mier and truly believing that Israeli soldiers are forced to kill innocents, your cause is lost.
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Could you advise us further?
You are Israel's leader, responsible for the welfare of 8,180,000 citizens.
You are surrounded by countries committed to the downfall of your country and the deaths of most of your people.
The leaders of the Gaza strip are smuggling arms thru tunnels which were made by forced and child labour.
They shoot rockets at your people and then run down into tunnels, leaving innocents above.
If you try to invade the tunnels they could fill them with children and innocents.
Now........ what are you going to do, if anything?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Firstly, I would dispute the assumption that all of Israel's neighbours seek it's downfall - if that were true, Israel would not exist.
Secondly the tunnels are a product of Israeli govt, end the blockade and the tunnels would cease to exist. The blockade is what produced the tunnels.
What I would do is to establish an independant Palestinian state as outlined in the Balfour declaration. Followed by ending the blockade of Gaza and the illegal occupation of the West Bank, those being major contributors to the radicalisation of the region.
The solution here is to decouple the conflict as far as possible from the religious dimension, to look at Hamas as a foreign radical movement invading Palestine - as you suggest.
By the way, I read the articles you sent me and found them very interesting and brilliantly researched, I have just not had the time to respond as they deserve.
In this case aggressive military action against Hamas is entirely counter productive, it drives Palestine ever further towards fundamentalist zealotry. Give them a state and they will have something to lose, nothing is more dangerous than people with nothing to lose.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Brave answers, all.
Moving forward...... let's say that all the above was actually undertaken by the Israeli leadership. How do you think the Gaza leadership would respond over the next two years?
No probs......
I need you to expand on this, really. As in the question above, if all that you request is undertaken, do you believe that Hamas and Gaza will settle and live peacefully beside Israel for, say, the next few years?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
What do I think the Gaza leadership would do? A: Lose the first elections to a less radical alternative.
No probs......
I need you to expand on this, really. As in the question above, if all that you request is undertaken, do you believe that Hamas and Gaza will settle and live peacefully beside Israel for, say, the next few years?
No, I believe Hamas would desintegrate and return largely to the parent group in Egypt. The radicalisation of Palestine is a consequence of Israeli govt policies. Sixty years of futile 'talks' and the illegalmoccupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza is what created and empowered Hamas. Free Gaza and the West Bank and deradicalisation would ensue. Hamas would find themselves rapidly powerless.
farouk
Active Member
Peace to all.
What the Zionist dont want you to know.
Were I to sum up the Basel congress in a word .it would be this:
At Basel,I founded the Jewish State.If I said this out loud today (1897) I would be answered by universal laughter.If not in 5 tears,then certainly in 50 years.everyone will know it.Theodor Herzl.
Who was Theodor Herzl?
Do some research and find out for yourself.
According to Zionist archives the leadership of early Zionism believed that the native population of Palestine would simply fold their tents and slip away or if they resisted they would be spirited across the borders.
Is this not a reality today?
I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State. Apart from practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish State,with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain...Albert Einstein.
In general international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy than the Jews. Just because the Arabs fled? Since when is that punishable by confiscation of property, and by being barred from returning to the land on which a peoples forefathers have lived for generations? Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territory in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse...I believe that, politically speaking, there is only one solution for Israel, namely, the unilateral acknowledgement of the obligation of the State towards the Arabs not to use it as a bargaining point, but to acknowledge the complete moral obligation of the Israeli State to its former inhabitants of Palestine. Professor Erich Fromm
Only an internal revolution can have the power to heal our people of their murderous sickness of causeless hatred...It is bound to bring complete ruin upon us. Only then will the old and young in our land realize how great was our responsibility to those miserable Arab refugees in whose towns we have settled Jews who were brought here from afar; whose homes we have inherited, whose fields we now sow and harvest; the fruits of whose gardens, orchards and vineyards we gather; and in whose cities that we robbed we put up houses of education, charity, and prayer, while we babble and rave about being the People of the Book and the light of the nations Nathan Chofshi
The 12th principle of our faith, I believe, is that the Messiah will gather the Jewish exiled who are dispersed throughout the nations of the world. Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism. Zionism wishes to define the Jewish people as a nationalistic entity. The Zionists say, in effect, Look here, God. We do not like exile. Take us back, and if you dont, well just roll up our sleeves and take ourselves back. The Rabbi continues: This, of course, is heresy. The Jewish people are charged by Divine oath not to force themselves back to the Holy Land against the wishes of those residing there. . Rabbi Hirsch
A Jewish Home in Palestine built up on bayonets and oppression [is] not worth having, even though it succeed, whereas the very attempt to build it up peacefully, cooperatively, with understanding, education, and good will, [is] worth a great deal even though the attempt should fail. Rabbi Judah L. Magnes, first president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, quoted in Like All The Nations?, ed. Brinner & Rischin.
Note if the above hurts anyone then I do appologise but my intent is simply to open the minds of those whose behaviour has reached the level of Hitler and Pharaoh.
Peace
Farouk
What the Zionist dont want you to know.
Were I to sum up the Basel congress in a word .it would be this:
At Basel,I founded the Jewish State.If I said this out loud today (1897) I would be answered by universal laughter.If not in 5 tears,then certainly in 50 years.everyone will know it.Theodor Herzl.
Who was Theodor Herzl?
Do some research and find out for yourself.
According to Zionist archives the leadership of early Zionism believed that the native population of Palestine would simply fold their tents and slip away or if they resisted they would be spirited across the borders.
Is this not a reality today?
I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State. Apart from practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish State,with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain...Albert Einstein.
In general international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy than the Jews. Just because the Arabs fled? Since when is that punishable by confiscation of property, and by being barred from returning to the land on which a peoples forefathers have lived for generations? Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territory in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse...I believe that, politically speaking, there is only one solution for Israel, namely, the unilateral acknowledgement of the obligation of the State towards the Arabs not to use it as a bargaining point, but to acknowledge the complete moral obligation of the Israeli State to its former inhabitants of Palestine. Professor Erich Fromm
Only an internal revolution can have the power to heal our people of their murderous sickness of causeless hatred...It is bound to bring complete ruin upon us. Only then will the old and young in our land realize how great was our responsibility to those miserable Arab refugees in whose towns we have settled Jews who were brought here from afar; whose homes we have inherited, whose fields we now sow and harvest; the fruits of whose gardens, orchards and vineyards we gather; and in whose cities that we robbed we put up houses of education, charity, and prayer, while we babble and rave about being the People of the Book and the light of the nations Nathan Chofshi
The 12th principle of our faith, I believe, is that the Messiah will gather the Jewish exiled who are dispersed throughout the nations of the world. Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism. Zionism wishes to define the Jewish people as a nationalistic entity. The Zionists say, in effect, Look here, God. We do not like exile. Take us back, and if you dont, well just roll up our sleeves and take ourselves back. The Rabbi continues: This, of course, is heresy. The Jewish people are charged by Divine oath not to force themselves back to the Holy Land against the wishes of those residing there. . Rabbi Hirsch
A Jewish Home in Palestine built up on bayonets and oppression [is] not worth having, even though it succeed, whereas the very attempt to build it up peacefully, cooperatively, with understanding, education, and good will, [is] worth a great deal even though the attempt should fail. Rabbi Judah L. Magnes, first president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, quoted in Like All The Nations?, ed. Brinner & Rischin.
Note if the above hurts anyone then I do appologise but my intent is simply to open the minds of those whose behaviour has reached the level of Hitler and Pharaoh.
Peace
Farouk
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Three more questions..............
1. Do you believe that Gaza is a democracy at this time, and would hold elections in, say, one year?
2. Do you think that Hamas would hand over power and vacate Gaza within (say) one year if all your proposals were met with and the people voted for the ending of Hamas?
3. I'm sorry, but I must ask this:- As a %, how confident do you feel that your proposals would achieve a long lasting peace? (Again, I am sorry but I must ask...) For instance, would you risk the life of (say) a child of yours on your analysis? The Israeli leaders are responsible for 8 million 'children'.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes............
May there be peace.
And so I ask you............ please:-
How could peace be achieved and kept for, say, several years?