paarsurrey
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I think what Buddha described as enlightenment is the same as called revelation to Jesus or Moses.
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Has Buddhism influenced Christianity ?
- Thread starter Agnimitra
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I think what Buddha described as enlightenment is the same as called revelation to Jesus or Moses.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Can you please quote from the Buddhist and the Christian scriptures in this connection?
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Agnimitra,
Personal understanding is that Jesus was in Kashmir between the ages 13 to 30 and was learning Yoga from masters here.
The culture of India including Kashmir was that of Sanatan Dharma which is not a path but a way of life and whatever way of life is led by an individual is a way of life is his dharma.
Buddhism to is a part of the same culture and if Jesus had any influence it would be Sanatan Dharma which in any case one is part off!
Love & rgds
Personal understanding is that Jesus was in Kashmir between the ages 13 to 30 and was learning Yoga from masters here.
The culture of India including Kashmir was that of Sanatan Dharma which is not a path but a way of life and whatever way of life is led by an individual is a way of life is his dharma.
Buddhism to is a part of the same culture and if Jesus had any influence it would be Sanatan Dharma which in any case one is part off!
Love & rgds
Adair Neto
New Member
It's hard to know because it's hard really understand who Jesus was. But the theory that Jesus lived in India is a good one (maybe he died there). This can explain the source of Jesus' teachings, but not all the mythologization of Jesus, what can be explained by some influence in the writing of gospels and letters.
There is also a lot of similarities between Judaism and Hinduism. It's probable that Hinduism is the source of Judaism.
By the way, there is a lot of similarities between a lot of myths across the globe.
There is also a lot of similarities between Judaism and Hinduism. It's probable that Hinduism is the source of Judaism.
By the way, there is a lot of similarities between a lot of myths across the globe.
Agnimitra
Member
It is forceful how almost every episode in Jesus' life evokes a prototype from the Lotus sutra.
Even the centurion....I read about it from one of Christian Lindtner's articles
Capernaum was Kapilavastu - Kingdom of Gods
Capernaum (Kapernaoum, Kapharnaoum) and the synagoge in that town plays exactly the same role in the legend of Jesus as Kapilavastu and the assembly hall in that town plays in the legend of the Buddha, i.e. Sâkyamuni, the Tathâgata.
Capernaum is never mentioned in the Old Testament, and scholars do not agree about its exact location on the map. It is said to have been Jesus´ own city, idia polis, Matthew 9:1, and it is also described as having been located "upon the sea-side", tên parathalassian, Matthew 4:13.
In the MSV, p.5 - as always our main source along with the Lotus - we read that the Lord Buddha was staying in the Nyâgrodârâme in Kapilavastu. The inhabitants of Kapilavastu - the Sâkyas - are staying in the assembly hall (samsthâgâre) of Kapilavastu. From there they go to the Buddha in the Nyâgrodhârâme (locative case). He teaches them about their past etc.
At some point he goes to Kapilavastu, his home town (his father was king of Kapilavastu). People lack faith, but he converts them by way of miracles.
In the MSV, p. 88, we read that Kapilavastu, the place, or town, vastu (= naoum) of the sage Kapila (= Kaper or Kaphar) was located on the bank of the Ganges river, on the slope of the Himalayas (anu-himavat-pârsve).
Thus the location on the banks of the Ganges on the slope of the Himalayas becomes that of Caernaum upon or along the sea-side.
(It may be added that Sanskrit compounds indicating locations with a preposition as first member are always carefully translated into Greek.)
No wonder scholars have problems locating Capernaum. They have - as so often - been looking at the wrong map!
The Buddha teaching in the assembly hall becomes Jesus teaching in the synagoge. The Greek "in the synagoge", (en) sunagôgê, is a perfect rendering of Sanskrit samsthâgâre, in the assembly hall.
When it is said that Jesus moved from Nazara (Matthew 4:13) to Kapharnaoum, this was the Buddha who came from Nyâgrodha to Kapilavastu.. Here, Nazara (unusual spelling!) reflects the Sanskrit Nyagrodha.
From Matthew 13:53-58 we learn that Jesus came to his own country (more exactly: his paternal country, area) etc., and that he did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief (a-pistia).
This reflects the celebrated episode in the MSV, p.188, where Buddha (Sâkyamuni) came back to Kapilavstu - his father´s town - where he at first was met with disbelief (Sanskrit a-prasâda). But then he converted them by some miracles (that are also in the NT - the miracles of water and fire)..
Matthew 13:58 is normally translated as a statement such as : " And he did not there work many miracles because of their unbelief."
Now that the Buddhist source has been identified, we can be sure that the phrase can also be translated as a rhetorical question: " And did ho not work many miracles there because of their unbelief?"
He surely did!
The centurion in Capernaum mentioned in Matthew 8:5-13 is easily identified as the father of Sâkyamuni in Kapilavastu.
In the same pericope, we are informed that some of us shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
This is clearly based on MSV, p. 196, where the Lord teaches in the asembly hall of the gods - the kingdom of heaven. The gods are present: Brahmâ, Sakra and Kuberas and others.
So the Indian god Brahmâ becomes Abrahma, the Indian god Sakra becomes Isaac (Isaak) , and the Indian god Kuberas becomes Jacob, Greek Iakôbos.
The kingdom of god - Sanskrit devas = Greek theos - was to be found in Kapilavastu.
The anonymous Buddhist missionaries behind these NT passages, we may safely conclude, followed the "Jesuitic" rule prescribed for propaganda in the Lotus: Work secretly, by way of appropriation (rahasi caurenâpi)
One cannot say that they were not successful!
Christian Lindtner
February 15, a. D. 2010
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Agnimitra
Member
I have read the book "Jesus lived in India"
It offers absolutely no proof for its tall claims. What you are saying cannot be backed by any literary or archaeological evidence.
Agnimitra
Member
It is an accepted fact among scholars that the authors of the four gospels had direct access to a common text called "Q"
The language or origin or contents of the text is unknown and for centuries open to speculation.
The Christian Lindtner theory posits or rather proves without any evidence against it so far that the Buddhist text called Mulasarvastivadavinaya is Q. It is a Sanskrit text and one of the most popular scriptures of Mahayana Buddhists.
It is the original Gospel
There is little in the life or teachings of Jesus that isn't already there in the MSV, including the parables.
Take the example of the parable of the Prodigal son. An old topic in this forum....
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...5030-i-wrote-short-exegesis-prodigal-son.html
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Agnimitra,
Its your choice to believe in something or not. To belief the city of Dwaka is under the sea now and that Krishna ever lived or Ram lived.
This much is true that one attains complete enlightenment then the dharma wheel is moved or evolution moves ahead cause something that is part of THAT whole moves back to IT. A part is out of the birth and death cycle and when such a phenomenon occurs then the whole universe is affected and this affect remains invisibly. Like what our forefathers leaves for us as our heritage so does enlightened men for all those who will come after him.
Jesus came after Gautama's enlightenment and so surely somehow that influence was there.
None can prove evolution but those who are capable of understanding it, understands even without evidential proofs.
Love & rgds
Its your choice to believe in something or not. To belief the city of Dwaka is under the sea now and that Krishna ever lived or Ram lived.
This much is true that one attains complete enlightenment then the dharma wheel is moved or evolution moves ahead cause something that is part of THAT whole moves back to IT. A part is out of the birth and death cycle and when such a phenomenon occurs then the whole universe is affected and this affect remains invisibly. Like what our forefathers leaves for us as our heritage so does enlightened men for all those who will come after him.
Jesus came after Gautama's enlightenment and so surely somehow that influence was there.
None can prove evolution but those who are capable of understanding it, understands even without evidential proofs.
Love & rgds
Agnimitra
Member
I can believe in Dwarka --because its existence has been proven by archaeology and its location and dating is corroborated in the Mahabharata and Bhagavata.We have an accord between literature and science here.
My belief in Krishna or the lack thereof does not influence my perspective of facts.
Can you bring out any such accord in the theory that Jesus visited India or even indicate his historicity?
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Personally, I dont worship Krishna or believe he was God, rather the greatest philosopher who ever lived, who unified the two profoundest philosophies(samkhya and Vedanta) into an impenetrable and impeccable monolith in the Gita. I Know he existed because his name appears in the Svetasvatara Upanishad as an esteemed thinker and not as an incarnation(a word that makes no sense in light of pure Advaita) and because the astronomical evidence from the texts beautifully matches the dates.
I will however be honest....the only mantra I chant is his name. Maybe it gives me happiness just the way faith makes many people happy.
A non sequitur.
The influence is apparent, but that does not prove Jesus visiting India let alone whether Jesus indeed existed
Just think about it my friend.....we know absolutely nothing about Jesus other than what the NT says .And almost everything he did or said in the Gospels appears to be imitation/translation/alteration of the Life of Gautama.
Now then arises the question of whether Jesus ,for a fact, existed. We have nothing contemporaneous to examine upon, no trace in any archive of history where we we may look for a "historical Jesus".
Not a single Roman or Greek historian of the time has mentioned anyone remotely close to him.
And the Gospels were written atleast 250 years after he supposedly lived---though some historians use flimsy "handwriting analysis" to torture the date to "125 AD" for the Rylands fragment.----They dont dare carbon date it.
Its just as unfounded as watching a movie and looking for the characters afterwards.They are a play, an enactment of something else.
How can any man live the life of another man completely?
How can Jesus have existed, if his purported life is an "imitation"?
And I dont quite understand why "evolution is not proven"
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Agnimitra,
Thank you for your response.
There are not one book but few on the subject of Jesus being in Kashmir, here is one:
http://ahmadiyyatimes.com/files/JesusDiedInKashmir.pdf
However personally it matters little whether Jesus and Krishna walked on this earth in body or not but what is left behind using their labels contributes as pointers for those who wish to get out of this evolutionary cycle of birth and death.
In such a sense who [enlightened ones] comes earlier leaves an influence for the rest following that event of enlightenment, in that sense Buddhism did influence Christianity.
Love & rgds
Thank you for your response.
There are not one book but few on the subject of Jesus being in Kashmir, here is one:
http://ahmadiyyatimes.com/files/JesusDiedInKashmir.pdf
However personally it matters little whether Jesus and Krishna walked on this earth in body or not but what is left behind using their labels contributes as pointers for those who wish to get out of this evolutionary cycle of birth and death.
In such a sense who [enlightened ones] comes earlier leaves an influence for the rest following that event of enlightenment, in that sense Buddhism did influence Christianity.
Love & rgds
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Buddhism travelled north, hence the Grecan Buddhas, so at least influence in Europe/
cheers
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