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Yuusif12

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Islam is the religion sent down to us from god onto our messenger Muhammad. It brought light to the people who were living in darkness.
Islam isn't about scuicide bombings and other stuff which you hear in the news.
Anything that is in the Quran then we do it and anything else then it is not from our religion

Please ask any questions you want about islam and I will try to answer them in Shaa' Allah
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yuusif12 said:
Islam is the religion sent down to us from god onto our messenger Muhammad. It brought light to the people who were living in darkness.
Islam isn't about scuicide bombings and other stuff which you hear in the news.
Anything that is in the Quran then we do it and anything else then it is not from our religion

Please ask any questions you want about islam and I will try to answer them in Shaa' Allah
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So what did you wish to debate, Yuusif12, as you have not formed the basis for a debate in your intro.
 
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gilligan8914

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Yuusif12 said:
Islam is the religion sent down to us from god onto our messenger Muhammad. It brought light to the people who were living in darkness.
Islam isn't about scuicide bombings and other stuff which you hear in the news.
Anything that is in the Quran then we do it and anything else then it is not from our religion

Please ask any questions you want about Islam and I will try to answer them in Shaa' Allah
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Are you a Quranist?
 
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Yuusif12

Member
My belief is Sunni. The prophet said that this religion will split into 73 sects, all of them in the hellfire except one. So his companions asked him: which is that one? He said what me and my companions are on. And that is what Sunni islam is.
When I said anything not in the Quran is not from the religion I made a mistake. It is Also the sunnah. And the companions of the prophet, and what the Islamic nation has agreed on.(not a quranist)

Those who are not Muslims will go to hell. But I will still respect them and it is not allowed to cheat them. Or kill them except if the ruler allows it (during war..)

YmirGF, I want you to ask any questions about islam and I'll answer.
Thanks
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Gone
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Yuusif12 said:
Those who are not Muslims will go to hell. But I will still respect them and it is not allowed to cheat them. Or kill them except if the ruler allows it (during war..)
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Believing that someone is going to be tormented for eternity and respecting them are mutually exclusive. You either believe one or the other. The notion that a cosmic, creator god will damn someone for eternity based on what they believed during a very short lifespan is nonsense. You make "God" out to be the ultimate petty being.
 
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Yuusif12

Member
We treat them with respect and civility. But we also do not take them as friends

“If you could but see when they will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: “Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the Ayat of our Lord, and we would be of the believers! Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars.” (6:27-8)
 
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Saint Frankenstein

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Yuusif12 said:
We treat them with respect and civility. But we also do not take them as friends

“If you could but see when they will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: “Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the Ayat of our Lord, and we would be of the believers! Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars.” (6:27-8)
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Calling people "liars" and saying they're doomed for eternity for not belonging to your sect is not "respect and civility". In effect, you hold disdain for the majority of humanity - past, present and future. How nice. No wonder why more and more people are realizing how much of a sick joke religion is when it has people like you representing it.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Yuusif12 said:
Those who are not Muslims will go to hell. But I will still respect them and it is not allowed to cheat them. Or kill them except if the ruler allows it (during war..)
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There is no such place as hell. No one will go there. So please don't worry yourself about it.
 
Nyingjé Tso

Nyingjé Tso

Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
saint_frankenstein said:
Calling people "liars" and saying they're doomed for eternity for not belonging to your sect is not "respect and civility". In effect, you hold disdain for the majority of humanity - past, present and future. How nice. No wonder why more and more people are realizing how much of a sick joke religion is when it has people like you representing it.
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Dude, think of all the people going to hell by his standards. Now, think of the huge greatest barbecue party we can make while he will be stuck walking on a cloud. Seriously. How awesome is that ?
 
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Saint Frankenstein

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AmbiguousGuy said:
I have close relatives -- intelligent people -- who still believe in it.

It's weird, the way a human mind can work.
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The only "hell" I think exists are deeply negative psychological states. Severe depression, despair, hatred and anger are all very "hellish". If you want to talk about the afterlife, "hell" is probably more like it is in What Dreams May Come. But it's all self-created and can end at any time. I think of it as more of a learning experience. So it's really more like purgatory.

But an eternal hell? Damned by a god? No. That's definitely fictitious.
 
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Yuusif12

Member
actually, all Jews, before Jesus was sent will go to paradise. And all Christians until prophet Muhammad was sent will go to paradise If they do rightous deeds because they are Muslims.
And anyone who the prophet Muhammad's message did not reach will be tested and may enter paradise. Also muslims believe that the prophets mentioned in the bible are sent by Allah.
Now, can you please calm down?
(That was from the Quran btw)
 
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Saint Frankenstein

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Yuusif12 said:
actually, all Jews, before Jesus was sent will go to paradise. And all Christians until prophet Muhammad was sent will go to paradise If they do rightous deeds because they are Muslims.
And anyone who the prophet Muhammad's message did not reach will be tested and may enter paradise. Also muslims believe that the prophets mentioned in the bible are sent by Allah.
Now, can you please calm down?
(That was from the Quran btw)
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No, I will not "calm down". Concepts of eternal hell for those who aren't part of a certain sect are inherently unethical/immoral. I do not like dangerous lies.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Yuusif12 said:
actually, all Jews, before Jesus was sent will go to paradise. And all Christians until prophet Muhammad was sent will go to paradise If they do rightous deeds because they are Muslims.
And anyone who the prophet Muhammad's message did not reach will be tested and may enter paradise. Also muslims believe that the prophets mentioned in the bible are sent by Allah.
Now, can you please calm down?
(That was from the Quran btw)
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There is no such place as hell. Nor any such place as paradise.

Please stop worrying about it.
 
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loverOfTruth

Well-Known Member
AmbiguousGuy said:
There is no such place as hell. Nor any such place as paradise.

Please stop worrying about it.
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If you could but see when they are made to stand before the Fire and will say, "Oh, would that we could be returned [to life on earth] and not deny the signs of our Lord and be among the believers." (Al-Qur'an 6:27)
 
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