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OBE: Out of Body Experience

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
This is a subject that has fascinated me for many years. Good ol’ Wiki outlines OBE’s in the following article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_body_experience

As indicated, there are other terms for this: Astral Projection, Remove Viewing, etc.

I have had a tiny bit of experience in this area. Strangely, upon my very first experience I immediately labelled it as an “Astral Projection”. I had heard of the term prior to that first time “out”, but I certainly did not understand what the term actually meant. That experience had an unusual cartoon-ish aspect, visually and from a sensory standpoint.

The first time I encountered an OBE in meditation, I was quite startled. I didn’t expect it in the slightest and was quite thrilled at the accomplishment. Consciously leaving ones body is perhaps the most radical thing one can do, imho. (And no, I cannot do this at will, as it were. In fact, I have not even figured out why some meditations extend into this area and the vast majority do not.

My second encounter with the OBE phenomena was during what I now understand to be Lucid Dreaming. This is dreaming where one comes to full consciousness while WITHIN the dream environs. I became aware of what I loosely refer to as a dream “double”. What I mean is this is an optimized version of my physical body that is not constrained by physical reality. A dream body or dream self, if you like.

It will come as no shock that I found the writing of Carlos Casteneda to be immensely helpful to my young mind. Don Juan often spoke to Carlos about using his “double” to try to conceive the Tonal and Nagual. (A difficult concept to grasp, at least, for me.)

In any event, I am essentially a curious being, by nature and so I ask:

Have any of you experienced this phenomenon?
Would any of you be inclined to share your adventures?

I might discuss some of my own if there is interest in the thread; otherwise I will keep my cards close to my chest. Any thoughts?

:eek:
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
I think that a good departure point for this thread might be the subject of ASC (Altered States of Consciousness) whether by 'drum, dance, drink, or drug', maybe delving into the realm of more wholesome meditative activity for attaining ASC also. There is a term coined by Mircea Eliade i think which is quite interesting; 'magical flight'. I think if we are to consider OBE we could do worse than debate ASC as at least complimentary.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
True, though debating it is better left to the other section, I think.

Since Astral Travel is an OBE that the 'user' causes, I'm not sure if my experiences count in this area. But if we are couting AT as OBE...
Have any of you experienced this phenomenon?
Yes.
Would any of you be inclined to share your adventures?
Sure! I'd have to write it down, though. I'm making another trip tonight, so I'll share my thoughts after that.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Nehustan said:
...maybe delving into the realm of more wholesome meditative activity for attaining ASC also. There is a term coined by Mircea Eliade i think which is quite interesting; 'magical flight'. I think if we are to consider OBE we could do worse than debate ASC as at least complimentary.
More wholesome? LOL. What exactly is there to debate? One either experiences "ASC" or they do not.

As a seasoned vet, to me at least, the thoughts of those who have not experienced "ASC" are of little interest or value. If you are suggesting a discussion between experienced people, not a debate, about various methods of achieving "ASC", I would be quite willing to enter those discussions. A debate? Sorry, not interested.

Likewise, for those who have not experienced the phenomena of OBE's, their input is also of little consequence. One may as well ask a blind person directions to a part of their city that they are unfamiliar.

FeathersinHair said:
Since Astral Travel is an OBE that the 'user' causes, I'm not sure if my experiences count in this area. But if we are couting AT as OBE... Yes.

Sure! I'd have to write it down, though. I'm making another trip tonight, so I'll share my thoughts after that.
I would be thrilled to see what you come up with Feathers? Rock on, Ma'am.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
More wholesome? LOL. What exactly is there to debate? One either experiences "ASC" or they do not.

As a seasoned vet, to me at least, the thoughts of those who have not experienced "ASC" are of little interest or value. If you are suggesting a discussion between experienced people, not a debate, about various methods of achieving "ASC", I would be quite willing to enter those discussions. A debate? Sorry, not interested.

Likewise, for those who have not experienced the phenomena of OBE's, their input is also of little consequence. One may as well ask a blind person directions to a part of their city that they are unfamiliar.

I would be thrilled to see what you come up with Feathers? Rock on, Ma'am.
Debate and discussion are synonymous for me. Just because people are prepared to turn debates into arguments with little knowledge shouldn't debase the word. Myself I have oft 'projected' and had at least one very memorable OBE after a weekend of solid ASC
;)
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Ooops, I do apologize, then. *blushes* We have a few people that try to use the discussion area to question others' beliefs (as opposed to the debate area), so I'm sorry that I had that knee-jerk reaction. I should've been reading for context. (Again, I'm sorry!)
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
The OBE I recall most distinctly, and not actually as intended 'magical flight' was in a girlfriends house. She is from old families, and her dead father had been an Archaeologist. I lay down on a sofabed in their 'library' and as I sat up I appeared to still be in the room, but my 'clay' was still lying on the bed. I perceived my 'self' as a separate entity to my clay, and as I looked around the room which appeared 'grey' I noted that the books had light coming from them, as did other objects. Stood at the end of the bed were two 'people' who beckoned me to lie back into my clay, I did as I was told then sat bolt up into my normal reality. During the whole event I had managed to give a running commentary to my girlfriend who looked a little perturbed. Thats the most vivid OBE I can recount.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is quite valid Nehustan. We can get into altered states another day LOL. Although this is definitely an "ASC", I wanted to explore this a bit, alas... no one else bit. Thanks for replying Feathers and Nehustan.

My point in bringing this up, OBE's, is I feel they are more common than most people believe.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
I'm not sure if I've had an OBE, I'm fairly sure I had one about 2 years back. I do have lucid dreams quite regularly though. The way things move inside my dreams is quite like The Cell, if you've ever seen that movie. Lots of moving textures long garments that come out of the ground, wrapped around everyone.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well it should not be too much of a surprise that you are into Lucid Dreams Chris.
I only heard the term once I got here to RF. Understand I have done this for many years and had simply never bothered to get a handle on what other people thought.
My slant was, I told myself I would have "a true dream from the Gates of Horn". That usually worked.

I still feel that this is a topic that is a lot more interesting and important that people evidently suspect.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
I still feel that this is a topic that is a lot more interesting and important that people evidently suspect.
I agree mate I'm actually very suprised more people haven't contributed, As a post script to my post, I decided at the time of the recounted OBE that the light I detected in the books and alike were traces of peoples 'soul' left imprinted upon them. I couldn't think of any other reason that books and crafted items would appear to have lifeforce.
 

Bangbang

Active Member
I have been a Lucic Dreamer for at least 42 years. I can remember having sex with many of my teachers...goin all the way back to 2nd grade. Lots of fun! Last week I had 4 lucid dreams within 12 hours. Why should I get up?:woohoo:
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
YmirGF said:
Well it should not be too much of a surprise that you are into Lucid Dreams Chris.
I only heard the term once I got here to RF. Understand I have done this for many years and had simply never bothered to get a handle on what other people thought.
My slant was, I told myself I would have "a true dream from the Gates of Horn". That usually worked.

I still feel that this is a topic that is a lot more interesting and important that people evidently suspect.
As do I; I want to try to study Astral projection. I have theories, but they are only at the 'germination' stage.:D
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
There is a difference between a lucid dream and an AP, right? I read that Lucid dreams can be used to project. Basically, you just become aware you are dreaming, and you can project.

But, I not sure if you're already in the astral when you're dreaming, and simply gain awareness of it in Lucid dreams, or that Lucid dreams is a state of sleep.

I know that from what I've read about AP, the astral contains both manifested objects and people or real objects or people. To differentiate between them, you will note that the manifested objects have a repeated pattern of doing things, like machines.

Sometimes, in our dreams we encounter people we've never seen before. That our mind could not have possibly manifested. And sometimes, we encounter departed loved ones from the past, who enter our dreams as if they're really communicating to us through the medium of dream. They come and tell us things we need to know. Such as "It is going to be ok"

My mother has had dreams where she's met her great great grandmother coming to tell her something.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
OBE also happens to people having a NDE, near-death experience where their spirit leaves their body, quite interesting to read their stories. My friend told me that back when we used to do a lot of LSD, that he saw me outside my body lots of times, he said,"you were beautiful brother",lol. I don't remember being outside my body, but I don't remember a lot except the hallucinations and all. There is a book called 'Out on a Limb' by Shirley MacLaine, who is a 'new-ager' describing her obe, and she spoke of a silver cord connecting her to her body. Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12:3-7 wrote of this, 'if ever the silver cord be loosed', speaking of death. So, it could be dangerous to do this, physically, and I believe spiritually as well. For the 'spirit guides' one meets, and the world into which one goes, is, imo, the wrong spirit world, and is forbidden, for we are to pray to God engaging our mind, not with vain repetitions, and such. So, I'd be careful about it all, learn all you can from many sources, that would be wise.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I have of course heard of the "silver chord" thingy... but have never seen any evidence of anything holding me back. I therefore cannot lend any support to that idea.

Now, since there is some interest what do you folks think?
Is there a difference between consciously having a OBE during meditation, or having an OBE during a dream state?

I suspect that the Ray Thomas of the Moody Blues fame also understood the OBE phenomenah well. This is from "To our children's children's children" (1969)

"Floating"

Floating free as a bird
Sixty foot leaps it's so absurd
From up here you should see the view
Such a lot of space for me and you

Oh you'd like it
Gliding around get your feet off the ground
Oh you'd like it
Do as you please with so much ease

Now I know how it feels
To have wings on my heels
To take a stroll among the stars
Get a close look at planet Mars

Oh you'd like it
Gliding around get your feet off the ground
Oh you'd like it
Do as you please with so much ease

Bouncing about on the moon
Guess you'll all be up here soon
The candy stores they'll be brand new
And you'll buy a rock with the moon right through

Oh you'd like it
Gliding around get your feet off the ground
Oh you'd like it
Do as you please with so much ease

Come fly...
Come fly...
Come fly...
 

Steve

Active Member
Hi all,
Interesting topic, i am curious about what/if any you think the implications of genuiene OBE's to evolution\naturalism etc. Eg for those of you who know we have a soul/spirit etc that can leave the body, does knowing this change the way you look at things in the natural world?

Cheers
Steve.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Steve said:
Hi all,
Interesting topic, i am curious about what/if any you think the implications of genuiene OBE's to evolution\naturalism etc. Eg for those of you who know we have a soul/spirit etc that can leave the body, does knowing this change the way you look at things in the natural world?

Cheers
Steve.
More in the mind
Than the body this feeling
A sense at the end
Of a circular line
That is drawn at an angle
I see when I'm with you
To navigate waters and finally answer to-yes!

:biglaugh: Sorry couldn't resist.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
YmirGF said:
I have of course heard of the "silver chord" thingy... but have never seen any evidence of anything holding me back. I therefore cannot lend any support to that idea.

Neither have I. But I am sure we all have woken, at some stage, with the remnants of a dream (or maybe nightmare) that we were falling fast, and never quite reached the ground.

I have read a book that describes that as being representative of the soul being returned to the body 'in a hurry' because something has awoken us from a deep sleep. Possible ? - Possibly.:D
 

Purple Thyme

Active Member
Hey this subject was really interesting. I had OBE also but got so scared I returned to my body and was aware of the silver chord theory. Anyone got any new thing to say. would love to hear some more. I am very interested in this subject. I read Monroe's
Out of Body Experiences several times. Hope to hear from somebody on the subject.
 
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