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The Fall of Atheism

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Death

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The Shield of Islam said:
Death said:
As for the multiple people that pretend to be one guy, Harun Yahya, read this page:

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/creat.cfm
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This is ISLAM section, this RELIGIOUSFORUMS.COM I dont know what the hell some HOPELESS ATHIESTS are doing here !!

Are you guys so unsure of your athiesm that you come here to debate the religious to get some assurances ???? :D
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Ad hominem fallacy. It says islam-related posting, not muslim only posting. And you used Harun Yahya, fundie creationist organisation, i feel compelled to intervene.
 
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The Shield of Islam

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Islam related posting does NOT mean ISLAM BASHING posting, we are here CREATIONISTS who believe in creation and look at evolution with contempt and ridicule, it is my own personal belief that only retards believe in ILLUSION ( Evolution ) !!

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If you are very confident of your illusion, why you are here trying to bash the creationists ??? could it be you are not sure of your illusion ????

http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/

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http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/

http://www.harunyahya.com
 
Q

(Q)

Active Member
In another word, you lost the debate and you want quick run !!

Ya, sure whatever... you da man.

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Death

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The Shield of Islam said:
Islam related posting does NOT mean ISLAM BASHING posting
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I never said it did. Spare me the martyr complex.

, we are here CREATIONISTS who believe in creation and look at evolution with contempt and ridicule, it is my own personal belief that only retards believe in ILLUSION ( Evolution ) !
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Yes, someone preaching to me in broken english that I'm a retard, how amusing. :lol:

If you are very confident of your illusion, why you are here trying to bash the creationists ??? could it be you are not sure of your illusion ????
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That doesn't even make sense. Evolution stands because it's good science, not a religion. Creationism is blind adherence to dogma over reality.

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Yes, we know you can't argue for yourself and you need other people beating up straw arguments of evolution to do your dirty work for you.
 
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(Q)

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As I said, you got to read the Quran to find that Islam is indeed based on logic and critical thinking.

Yet logic and critical thinking dictate that creationism is pure bunk, as is the splitting of the moon, angels, etc.

Perhaps the Islamic definitions of logic and critical thinking were lost in the translation to English.
 
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Alaric

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The Shield of Islam said:
You did not read what I wrote, I said Islam is the ONLY mean to reach the truth.
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I know you did, and that's why I'm asking - how do we know? Use logic to prove that it is. Either science or Islam (i.e. faith) is the only way to truth, you can't have both, otherwise you don't know what to believe when they contradict each other.

The Shield of Islam said:
You are mixing 2 issues here, converting TO Islam is very easy, but leaving it is very difficult, you know that before you join so make up your mind. As I said, Islam is NOT a club in which you join whenever you feel like it and leave whenever you wanted.
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They are the same issue. If it's bad to convert FROM Islam, you must think it's bad to convert from ANY belief. If it's good to convert TO Islam, then it must be good to change beliefs as often as you want. Just like, if you think it's bad that I steal from you, you must think it's bad for you to steal from me. It's hypocrisy to say it's good for Muslims but bad for everyone else.

The Shield of Islam said:
Morality stems from Religion not from faithless dogma called athiesm.
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No, if you don't understand the consequences of your actions on other people, then you can't be good. What you think God wants is irrelevant.

The Shield of Islam said:
The house certainly has windows and doors, not seeing the owner of the house does not mean the house has no owner or no builder who build it.
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But it does mean the the owner can't expect people to acknowledge him.
 
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Death

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Atheism doesn't have a dogma, it's a simple lack of one (though theoretically infinite) belief(s). Namely that of god(s). That's it.]

I still fail to see how those links show the "fall of atheism"all they do is construct a straw man argument and then beat it. Nothing to see here other than some theists being silly.
 
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THEDARKONE4

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Well, considering the guy that wrote that is Muslim, don't you think it has a bit of bias in it. I mean, it's one thing for an atheist to say that atheism is on the decline, but it's a different thing for someone with an obvious bias to say that atheism is on the decline.
 
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Death

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No, their bias is not why their argument is wrong. Their argument is wrong due to appalling logic and stupidity, as with most creation rubbish.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Shield-

I wasn't offended by your opinion on what atheism is, however I do think it may be an uninformed opinion.

I'm an atheist and I do have morals- I try to be the best person I can be, and if someone in need came to my house- I would give them food and shelter even if they didn't appreciate what I've done for them, because helping others is the right thing to do. Surely if he exists, Allah must be MORE loving and caring than me- a lowly mortal. So why would Allah send me to hell, when I myself would have compassion for the little guy? Isn't Allah supposed to be perfect?
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

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Allah gave us free will, he is not a dictator, so if you smoke during your pregnancy or drunk so much alcohol, dont blame the angels, blame yourself.
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If I may touch upon this quickly. This seems to be a very widespread idea: god is responsible for the good things, but not the bad. How does this make sense? On a lighter note, did god write a book on this topic, because it seems to be a pretty cushy situation for him, and I'd like to study his methods! 8)
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

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Shield:

As I said, you got to read the Quran to find that Islam is indeed based on logic and critical thinking.
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I totally agree. No one can fully understand Islam unless they really read into it, and I'm sure its teachings are based on logic and critical thinking, but what you seem to be missing here, is that that fact is not exactly special. Most religions are based on logic and critical thinking-- as far as their moral codes, strategies for survival ( of the religion), and philosophical issues go. In fact, it is their job to make you ponder things and sort things out, however, this does not make them scientific, or capable of replacing science in any fashion.

Athiesm is the disbelief that God does not exist, athiesm is void of any morales or beliefs, it is just animalistic hidonistic state of mind ( no offense to athiests here, I am voicing my opinion).
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It's funny that you should call atheism animalistic, because that is exactly what I think of religion (no offense). It's my crazy idea that humans have a basic primal need to understand their environment, and therefore early man invented a divine being to explain their unexplainables, and a sort of religion to worship him (or them, i suppose). This has evolved into today's religions. Because dependent tendencies towards an intangible 'creator' seem to be instinctual for humankind, I see this as animalistic. In truth, how can a dependency on science ever be called animalistic, given that there is nothing about science that is not modern and utterly unsubjective? Or am I wrong in suggesting that early man and animals do/did not have scientific knowledge?

Morality stems from Religion not from faithless dogma called athiesm.
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In a sense, I do indeed have faith. I believe that the theory of gravity is true, therefore I could be said to have faith in gravity, etc.
Just because I don't have a book to tell me what to do, doesn't mean I don't have morals. Realistically, it is impossible to live in today's society without morals, because a lack of them is socially unacceptable, and society rules the world. My other thoughts on morality as an atheist have pretty much already been covered (nod to Mr. Spinkles :roll: ).
I would like to ask one other thing though, what exactly is so bad with not having a dogma? I am sensing some serious negativity in that statement, and I'm just wondering what you think about that.
 
Ody

Ody

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Uhhh q you left a great target to attack against your arguement, newtons laws aren't neccesairly laws, but relative to your place and location.
 
mr.guy

mr.guy

crapsack
~Lord Roghen~ said:
Bumped
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Why? Everyone already knows that those faithless ******* athiests are incapable of any meaningful moral outlook. What do you believe needs to be restated/ingrained/redefined?
 
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