Breathe
Hostis humani generis
At some point, I'm sure he has; he wasn't always the pope after all. After, I don't know. Maybe?
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God's Message Is Holy, Not the Book It Is Printed In.
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I opened this but didn't read it until I responded, but here:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Fewer confessions and new sins
So, um, I guess he does confess - but in public, I dunno. To whom, I have no idea either.
BBC NEWS | Europe | Fewer confessions and new sins
So, um, I guess he does confess - but in public, I dunno. To whom, I have no idea either.
Live and let live- a motto I try and live by.
Exactly
As long as one doesn't try to force their views on others. That's when things change and the "live and let live" thinking fails. At that point, the war's on.
I don't recall ever pushing my beliefs on anyone, and I don't plan on starting, so you and I shouldn't ever be in any war.
(I have been trying to be nice to you, but you seem to misunderstand it- something about the "ringing chimes" I would guess, but I never meant that as an attack. I meant it to say "To each, his own") Peace.
God's Message Is Holy, Not the Book It Is Printed In.
Do you agree or disagree with that above statement? Explain, if desired.
Edit: I should mention that this is mainly for those faiths that have Holy writings, but anyone can answer.
I think that if a god creates a holy message that can't be transmitted in a way befitting its holiness, then this reflects on the god in question.
I don't recall ever pushing my beliefs on anyone, and I don't plan on starting, so you and I shouldn't ever be in any war.
Good, as I never claimed you did.
I've had very little interaction with you. Very little as in almost none. So I'm not sure about the "trying to be nice" thing you're talking about really.:no:
I am talking about the statements below, earlier in the thread. I wasn't trying to be rude by saying "whatever rings your chimes" but it seemed as you thought it was. I am probably wrong about that, I just wanted it to be clear.
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Originally Posted by ChristineES
Whatever rings your chimes. It's very easy to make comments about a person's faith that you don't even know.
Welcome to the RF.
Not as easy as is to believe in a being that no one has ever been able to prove exists.
Whatever rings your chimes indeed
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
I remember once, when I was going to church, we were having a discussion on Revelations. And the subject came up, "Stop believing in Jesus or die." The others in the group were so worried about the book. I didn't care about the book. (Even then I saw most of them as camp fire tales, passed down from generation to generation.)
They never quite understood why I wouldn't protect the book with my life.
They never quite understood why I wouldn't protect the book with my life.
I am talking about the statements below, earlier in the thread. I wasn't trying to be rude by saying "whatever rings your chimes" but it seemed as you thought it was. I am probably wrong about that, I just wanted it to be clear.
It's been my experience that those who claim "I will try to be nice" or "I've tried to be nice" really have issues with being nice in general.
If you want to be "nice", then be nice - don't "try".
To me, "trying" to be nice/fun/grateful/etc denotes a person who isn't truly nice/fun/grateful/etc. and make excuses when they aren't.
Don't "try" just "be".
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
The way I understand it is doing your best to be nice to people who are trying your patience, even if you'd rather not.
No one has ever insinuated that I am not nice in my 46 years- a lot of folks tell me I'm too nice.
I guess it's kind of refreshing. I'll take your advice: Don't worry, and I am not being nice- please no longer make assumptions about me because of my faith, which you did in the first reply of this whole conversation- that is what I really wanted to say and kind of tried to in the first post. As I said, it is easy to make assumptions about people you never met before and you did that to me (whether you intended to or not). I am not a "certain way" just because I follow Jesus. You can criticize Christianity all you want- I won't and couldn't even if I wanted to stop you from doing that. 
Luminous
non-existential luminary
Athena's image and inspiration was holy! not the rock it was carved upon. :clapGod's Message Is Holy, Not the Book It Is Printed In.
Do you agree or disagree with that above statement? Explain, if desired.
Edit: I should mention that this is mainly for those faiths that have Holy writings, but anyone can answer.
Thank you ChristineES, a valiant attempt to discredit my belief that religious beliefs are idols of vanity.
Still, the Book itself would "become" holy if it contained a holy message, would it not? just like a shape of gold would become holy if it contained a Divine Message.
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Discredit your religious beliefs! You've got to be kidding. :sarcastic I can't imagine how my belief that the Bible, the Qur'an, the Ramayana, The Book of Mormon and any other religious books are worth more than the paper they are printed on discredits your beliefs. On top of that, it was my OPINION and nothing more. But no worries- you still have your beliefs and I still have mine. You have your opinions and I have mine.
Have a nice day.
Luminous
non-existential luminary
I didn't mean discredit in its common sense, sorry... I meant discredit in the fact that I was almost hypnotized by the O.P.'s argument into seeing the idol scriptures as not necessarily inspired by Satan even though they were, The Lord of Lies and Confusion, as he is often called.
Do you not agree with me that Athena's image is inspirational and divine... or is her image simply worth more than the rock it is carved upon.
There are plenty of books that are worth more than the paper they are printed on..
Where can you find God's message? Athena's face should be fine, it was for the Athenians.
Enjoy
Do you not agree with me that Athena's image is inspirational and divine... or is her image simply worth more than the rock it is carved upon.
There are plenty of books that are worth more than the paper they are printed on..
Where can you find God's message? Athena's face should be fine, it was for the Athenians.
Enjoy
I didn't mean discredit in its common sense, sorry... I meant discredit in the fact that I was almost hypnotized by the O.P.'s argument into seeing the idol scriptures as not necessarily inspired by Satan even though they were, The Lord of Lies and Confusion, as he is often called.
Do you not agree with me that Athena's image is inspirational and divine... or is her image simply worth more than the rock it is carved upon.
There are plenty of books that are worth more than the paper they are printed on..
Where can you find God's message? Athena's face should be fine, it was for the Athenians.
Enjoy
I have no opinion on Athena's image-I've never seen it. It shouldn't matter how I feel about it anyway, my opinion one way or another shouldn't effect you. Since I have respect for others (that is, until they give a reason for me to lose that respect, and you haven't done that), I also respect any belief they may have, even if I was to not believe it myself. I can also accept if you don't have the same opinion as I do- that God's message is everywhere- in the ocean, and on the mountains, and all that- not even everyone of my faith agrees with that.
Peace. :beach:Then one wouldn't truly be a "nice" person if you have to try.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I go a step further: it's holy, but not "God's message." Rather, scriptures are like diaries of a given culture's search for God. They're questions, not answers!God's Message Is Holy, Not the Book It Is Printed In.
Do you agree or disagree with that above statement? Explain, if desired.
Edit: I should mention that this is mainly for those faiths that have Holy writings, but anyone can answer.
I respect the journey, and the maps are glorious... but the map is not the territory. To conflate them is idolatrous.
No one has ever insinuated that I am not nice in my 46 years- a lot of folks tell me I'm too nice.
Too nice? If you say so :thud:
I don't know your faith so there's no assumption there - only reporting on what I'm see. Simple being religioous doesn't mean you're automatically nice - religion doesn't change you personality. You do.
"Trying" to be nice means being nice isn't in your nature.
And I don't need to criticize Christianity. Christians do enough damage to it themselves - they don't need any help. But thanks for the "permission".:shout
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waitasec
Veteran Member
being nice is a choice...and we are defined by what we do...
Correct, I sometimes wish I wasn't so nice. I've tried to being an not-so-nice guy. Nice doesn't always finish out on top. But I've come to accept who I am.
I can choose to be mean but I'm never comfortable with that. How I feel is how I feel. That changes over time. I'm not exactly the same person as was before. Everything has an influence on that. Not only religion.
Religion maybe tell you how you ought to be, but knowing what you ought to be and actually being it are different things. I can act as I think I'm supposed to be, but it wouldn't really be me.
To me it seems more important to get in touch with who I really am and accept the truth of that than be who others think I should be.
Maybe religion just helps some justify who they really are to themselves. Everyone being different, that's why so many religions.