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Who's more racist... the religious or the non-religious?

whereismynotecard

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
there was a thread titled "Are Athiests Racist?" !?! :(

I think there are both religious and non-religious racists. Unless we had a magical lie-proof poll and polled everyone on earth, there is no way to tell which group has a larger percent of racist people in it.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
whereismynotecard said:
there was a thread titled "Are Athiests Racist?" !?! :(

I think there are both religious and non-religious racists. Unless we had a magical lie-proof poll and polled everyone on earth, there is no way to tell which group has a larger percent of racist people in it.
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Of course there is. If people use good methodology, then research studies can tell us people's views. Do you think sociological research is useless or impossible? Why?
 
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fatima_bintu_islam

Active Member
Im sorry sono, but I have to tell you that I sincerely dislike generalizing questions; it does help spreading propaganda about groups and considering the actual situation in the world, propagandas became my worst ennemy.

Had to let it go..
Best regards
 
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Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
It is well-known that in the U.S., the greatest amount of racial prejudice is in the religiously conservative (as compared with the rest of the U.S. as a separate region) Southern Bible Belt states. Either by some unexplained chance, racial bigots just so happen to live in states that have higher percentages of conservative Christians, or a disporpotionate number of conservative Christians are racial bigots.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
sonofskeptish said:
"Psychologists at Baylor University say that people primed with Christian concepts are likely to express racial prejudice and general negative views toward African-Americans"...

Does Christianity Encourage Racism?
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This is a perfect example of an ignorant and irresponsible use of scholarship. So, from the article, ...
What’s interesting about this study is that it shows some component of religion does lead to some negative evaluations of people based on race. We just don’t know why,” said Dr. Wade Rowatt, associate professor of psychology and neuroscience at Baylor
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The classification "some component of religion" does not at all equate with "some component exclusive to religion," and even less to "some component exclusive to religion in general." Nor do we know what would happen if we conducted the same experiment after priming similar college students with presumably neutral nationalist or political concepts.

And yet you stigmatize. It's cheap and it's tiresome.
 
1robin

1robin

Christian/Baptist
The most famous racist in history (Hitler) used evolution to justify his racism (aryan supermen)when asked. Richard Dawkins correctly states that an evolutionist has no justification for declaring what Hitler did wrong that can be derived from evolutionary implications. With a title like this how could it not be used:
"On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life."*







 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
1robin said:
The most famous racist in history (Hitler) used evolution to justify his racism (aryan supermen)when asked. Richard Dawkins correctly states that an evolutionist has no justification for declaring what Hitler did wrong that can be derived from evolutionary implications. With a title like this how could it not be used:
"On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life."*







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that isn't how natural selection works...
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
1robin said:
The most famous racist in history (Hitler) used evolution to justify his racism (aryan supermen)when asked. Richard Dawkins correctly states that an evolutionist has no justification for declaring what Hitler did wrong that can be derived from evolutionary implications. With a title like this how could it not be used:
"On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life."*
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This claim requires support.
(I'm politely saying it's bogus.)

Back to the OP.....some things are certain:
Atheism & agnosticism have no dogma whatsoever, so they don't push people towards or from racism.
Religions do have dogma, & some of them do or once did push racism. I'll skip examples, since there
would be great offense taken (supported by lame arguments that their religion is color blind, or the
the ole No True Scotsman thingie).
So I'd say that the faithful have a greater tendency towards racism. But this matters naught to me,
since I judge people by individual behavior. Religion tells me little about them.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
So I'd say that the faithful have a greater tendency towards racism.
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I believe this to be a groundless generalization. One could also argue that a theology insistent that we are all made b'tselem 'elohim (in the image of God) is, all else being equal, just as likely to embrace diversity. (It was not by accident that Jews played a disproportionate role in the Civil Rights movement.) Suggestions that the religious are more likely to be racist seem little more than thoughtless ad hominem.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
I believe this to be a groundless generalization.
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No, it isn't groundless.
It's an inadequately reasoned generalization.
Geeze, I'd expect you to spot that!

One could also argue that a theology insistent that we are all made b'tselem 'elohim (in the image of God) is, all else being equal, just as likely to embrace diversity. (It was not by accident that Jews played a disproportionate role in the Civil Rights movement.) Suggestions that the religious are more likely to be racist seem little more than thoughtless ad hominem.
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Wrong again. An ad hominem argument is when the person is addressed rather than the issue.
In this case, I'm addressing my reasons for believing the faithful are slightly more racist than heathens,
ie, the issue. To use the Jews as an example is to select a very small population of believers, so it
wouldn't matter whether they're more or less racist than general. Btw, I've no opinion on that last one.
 
gnomon

gnomon

Well-Known Member
1robin said:
The most famous racist in history (Hitler) used evolution to justify his racism (aryan supermen)when asked. Richard Dawkins correctly states that an evolutionist has no justification for declaring what Hitler did wrong that can be derived from evolutionary implications. With a title like this how could it not be used:
"On the origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life."*
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I haven't heard that.

I have heard him say, as he did in his recent debate with Cardinal Pell, that living by Darwinian evolutionary principles is not an idea one should accept.

Personally, I'm leery of these sociological studies that point to believers are more likely x or non-believers are more likely y.

But yes, people have used Social Darwinism as a means to justify racism. However, that does not mean that evolutionary theory is racist. It means that people who are racist will take whatever concept they can and twist it to fit their beliefs. The KKK and other Christian based racist ideologies reject evolutionary theory and embrace a twisted concept of Christianity to uphold their racism.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Revoltingest said:
Wrong again. An ad hominem argument is when the person is addressed rather than the issue.
In this case, I'm addressing my reasons for believing the faithful are slightly more racist than heathens,
ie, the issue. To use the Jews as an example is to select a very small population of believers, so it
wouldn't matter whether they're more or less racist than general. Btw, I've no opinion on that last one.
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I believe Jay was deeming 'the issue' itself as ad hom, not your response. In which case, I agree with him.
 
1robin

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Revoltingest said:
This claim requires support.
(I'm politely saying it's bogus.)
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Evolutionist and atheist Richard Dawkins stated in an interview: “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question."[19] The interviewer wrote, regarding the Hitler comment, "I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point. Adolf Hitler - Conservapedia

I strongly suggest a visit to this site it is most informative.

I am poltely saying your bogus claim is bogus.
 
1robin

1robin

Christian/Baptist
fantôme profane;2922126 said:
I would like to see a source for that.
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Evolutionist and atheist Richard Dawkins stated in an interview: “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question."[19] The interviewer wrote, regarding the Hitler comment, "I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point. Adolf Hitler - Conservapedia

I strongly suggest a visit to this site it is most informative.
 
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