The Math Behind Evolution

rusra02 said:

"mathematics assumes that real-world evolution is a gradual, random process. It does not (and cannot) demonstrate it." - The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael Behe p.174 (Italics added)

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Of course not; which is why you use the real-world evidence to logically infer that it is random and gradual.

rusra02 said:

"mathematics assumes that real-world evolution is a gradual, random process. It does not (and cannot) demonstrate it." - The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael Behe p.174 (Italics added)

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And yet more evidence that you and your source have no actual idea what is going on. Neither equasion assumes evolution is a "gradual, random process".

Hardy-Weinburg measures change as it happens in populations. You don't have to assume anything it's a direct relationship between population measured in time X and population measured in time Y.

I realize that you'll ignore everything I've just said.... but hopefully someone else will get some benefit from this. :sarcastic

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ImmortalFlame said:

I meant a mathematical model used to determine the exact number and exact timeframe required for evolution between one species and the next to occur.

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For me I just see the range as incredibly large. One of my favorite articles to show creationists is this sciencedaily article on the origins of speciation in this flycatcher population: Study Catches Two Bird Populations As They Split Into Separate Species

In summary, there was a single point mutation that changed the bird's plumage that resulted in the different groups (based on whether or not they had this mutation) not wanting to mate with each other in the wild or even seeing the other males as rivals. From this we can infer that a single mutation can effectively cause speciation, although keep in mind that this mutation wouldn't stop fertile offspring if the two groups did mate. And of course, many populations go through millions, if not billions, of mutations without the slightest hint of speciation.

It is this range of possibilities and uncertainty in what the mutations bring, what the environment will favor, how dynamic the environment is, etc. that makes such a mathematical model incredibly hard, if not impossible, IMHO.

rusra02 said:

"mathematics assumes that real-world evolution is a gradual, random process. It does not (and cannot) demonstrate it." - The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael Behe p.174 (Italics added)

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Incorrect. :no: