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BEEF EATING. for Sanatan dharma followers
- Thread starter zenzero
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That's an odd way of looking at compassion. I've always seen it as simply being empathetic towards others. In many societies, this isn't necessarily directed at other animals.
BTW, I'm on my way out of eating meat; it's just fish now, and soon that will be gone. Besides, there's no way to live without killing in some way. Plants are just as much alive as animals.
Do you eat yogurt?
bhaktajan
Active Member
Manu samhita says, Birds have the least bad karma [far from sub-marine or sub-terrainian].
The act of offering food first as "prasadam" releases the eater of the karma debt for being in that predicament of having to eat ones self accross the dog-eat-dog ocean of existence while on ones way to the shores of the Rat-race world.
Ekadasi fasts are designed to remedy the killing of plants [and inherit insects].
I do eat yogurt & cheese & milk ---usually from beasts on the way to slaughter ---thus ekadasi fasts & the acknowledgement that I am imprisoned in the world of Maya is what comes to mind.
Milk is Edit juice, I don't eat anythings' breasts [neither, white nor, dark me-eat],
Bhaktajan
The act of offering food first as "prasadam" releases the eater of the karma debt for being in that predicament of having to eat ones self accross the dog-eat-dog ocean of existence while on ones way to the shores of the Rat-race world.
Ekadasi fasts are designed to remedy the killing of plants [and inherit insects].
I do eat yogurt & cheese & milk ---usually from beasts on the way to slaughter ---thus ekadasi fasts & the acknowledgement that I am imprisoned in the world of Maya is what comes to mind.
Milk is Edit juice, I don't eat anythings' breasts [neither, white nor, dark me-eat],
Bhaktajan
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What's EM?
I understand you want our opinions, dear Zenzero
The problem is that the quotation creates dispute where there is little need for it. It speaks about muslim myths, politics, laws and right and wrong in Indian, "facts" of the Vedas and eating beef.
It seems to overlook that there is nothing wrong with not eating beef. No one is objecting to vegetarians. It seems to want to stir and make a debate where no debate is required. Peace!
You have pointed out the crux.
In Veda, Indra is called a bull and vak is called a cow. There may be a possibilty of mistake in translation on both sides, and sometmes intentional.
However, in loving criticism of ZenZero:
We all are not devoid of mind and thus not above duality. In this stage, most spiritual aspirants will benefit by abstaining from meat. However, I have seen non-vegetarians develop health problems on resorting to pure vegetarian diet. So care may be required. OTOH, i feel that vegetarianism should not become an ego booster -- "I am superior Hindu".
I'm one of them. While I have no problem not eating land meat, seafood meat must for now remain a part of my diet because of health reasons.
I'd say it's better to be a humble meat-eater than to be an arrogant vegetarian.
Yes, those arrogant vegetarians can do a number on you. I like the ones that preach at me for a few minutes without letting me inform them that that I'm one too. Arrogance can be humorous to observe, as long as its not truly impacting you, like direct slavery.
Well, I'm very sensitive, so I am hurt by those who patronize me for having a different dietary attitude.
Yeah, it all goes both ways though ... I've been told I'm going to die without any protein at all. Fortunately, I'm not particularly sensitive in that regard (although I am in others) . My carnivorous (sarcasm) friends and I used have quite the sarcastic banter going some days. Silly stuff, like "How many carrots did you have for breakfast?" and my reply would be something like, "About as many eggs as you had?" or things like "wanna switch?" when dining out together. Good clean fun ... as it should be.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
It is a pleasure to read all your responses including friend bhaktajan's whose intellect has opened his third eye to have a balanced view of maya/matter besides *zenzero* is not an ego-mind but only signifying "dhyana to nothingness or dhyana on nothingness*.
though the following is in response to friend atanu's statement is a response for everyone
to meditate on.
So eat meat if the body craves but with awareness and this being aware is what practicing dharma is all about.
Finding/realizing that through awareness eating meat/drinking/alcohol/smoking/drugs/etc are slowly giving way.
A being is simply a process.
Process for whom?
for consciousness and the form including the mind is part of that consciousness and forms are merely vibrations which rises from the silent void.
We humans are nothing but vibrations and through dhyana one reaches to being aware of the vibration of existence itself which is called the soundless sound and once one as vibration tunes with that vibration of the soundless sound then one is in tune with existence and in this process eating, ******** and all other *NOISES* simply falls only a minimum remains for the form to be alive till the energy for the vibration to remain is available.
The world that one perceives is again nothing but vibrations in different ways and the truth remains that all vibrations originate from consciousness and to tune with the vibration of consciousness itself and not what the mind perceives which itself is vibration in itself and so only perceives an illusionary truth. So stilling the mind is stilling the vibrations that originates from the mind and when that happens [mind stills] the vibration of existence stands and the form immediately is found to be in tune and once this happens there is no going back and this is the point of surrender stated in communicable languages in various scriptures.
The above is only a personal understanding and realization and may not be in a language mostly in usage to date and so if any clarification is required do ask.
Love & rgds
It is a pleasure to read all your responses including friend bhaktajan's whose intellect has opened his third eye to have a balanced view of maya/matter besides *zenzero* is not an ego-mind but only signifying "dhyana to nothingness or dhyana on nothingness*.
though the following is in response to friend atanu's statement is a response for everyone
to meditate on.
Have never stated that we are above mind. Just pointing towards the fact that mind too is part of the truth to be accepted but just to be aware of the mind and its doing is all that is required and the focus lies on the awareness and not the mind.
So eat meat if the body craves but with awareness and this being aware is what practicing dharma is all about.
Finding/realizing that through awareness eating meat/drinking/alcohol/smoking/drugs/etc are slowly giving way.
A being is simply a process.
Process for whom?
for consciousness and the form including the mind is part of that consciousness and forms are merely vibrations which rises from the silent void.
We humans are nothing but vibrations and through dhyana one reaches to being aware of the vibration of existence itself which is called the soundless sound and once one as vibration tunes with that vibration of the soundless sound then one is in tune with existence and in this process eating, ******** and all other *NOISES* simply falls only a minimum remains for the form to be alive till the energy for the vibration to remain is available.
The world that one perceives is again nothing but vibrations in different ways and the truth remains that all vibrations originate from consciousness and to tune with the vibration of consciousness itself and not what the mind perceives which itself is vibration in itself and so only perceives an illusionary truth. So stilling the mind is stilling the vibrations that originates from the mind and when that happens [mind stills] the vibration of existence stands and the form immediately is found to be in tune and once this happens there is no going back and this is the point of surrender stated in communicable languages in various scriptures.
The above is only a personal understanding and realization and may not be in a language mostly in usage to date and so if any clarification is required do ask.
Love & rgds
I agree with this fully. This is beautiful.
Pertinent to this thread:
- Probably this has not happened for all of us, except perhaps for you.
- For sadhaka meat eating is an hindrance because as teachers teach, meat has rajasic qualities and it excites passions. However, at least one teacher advocated meat eating for Indians -- to get over sloth.
- Regarding the Cow debate I entirely go with Onkara. Also, I do think that those who say that Veda advocated eating of beef are willfully mis-interpreting words of Sanskrit. It is easy to find that 'Bull' and 'Cow' are metaphors and often used for Adityas and the Vak. Veda also calls Sun as the boar.
Regards
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bhaktajan
Active Member
What about the Karma?
Sentiments are fine except during the ensuant conflagrations ---of 'En-mass Karmic' events.
What about the Karma?
I have quoted the Rg-veda. Thus there is no room for contention.
Surely, the concominant factors of bad karma resulting from the psuedo cult leaders of
World Parliments could fill many an accuarial's ledger book, in black and white print.
Who has the highest death rate? Human? or Cows?
It is a game of russian roulette to ignore the mandates of the Vedas in-regards to neglecting cow-protection in Human society.
Sentiments are fine except during the ensuant conflagrations ---of 'En-mass Karmic' events.
What about the Karma?
I have quoted the Rg-veda. Thus there is no room for contention.
Surely, the concominant factors of bad karma resulting from the psuedo cult leaders of
World Parliments could fill many an accuarial's ledger book, in black and white print.
Who has the highest death rate? Human? or Cows?
It is a game of russian roulette to ignore the mandates of the Vedas in-regards to neglecting cow-protection in Human society.
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Let us understand that vibrations/mind remains but when at rest the mind stills and no vibrations originates. When it happens consciously then even the act is conscious and a conscious act does not have the karmic effect and when the mind is active it generates vibrations and so has its own effect.
STILL IT!
Love & rgds
Let us understand that vibrations/mind remains but when at rest the mind stills and no vibrations originates. When it happens consciously then even the act is conscious and a conscious act does not have the karmic effect and when the mind is active it generates vibrations and so has its own effect.
STILL IT!
Love & rgds