Where is God during disasters?

michel · Sep 7, 2005

lady_lazarus said:
Katrina is only the third most intense hurricane to make landfall in the USA. The two before it were in 1935 and 1969...looks to be running in about 35 year cycles by the looks of things...and the intensity is diminishing.

We can all blame global warming, but even the experts can't agree whether it makes a difference or not. Going just by the three hurricanes I just mentioned, if it has an effect then it's actuall making things better. A bit more global warming and a storm in a teacup will be the biggest thing we'll have to worry about.

That, I didn't know; thank you for letting me know, Lady L.

Maize said:
Sorry michel, but there's no way to know that at this time, it's just speculation. The most the "experts" are saying right now is that it's possible.

Katrina reignites debate over global warming

In view of Lady L's post, it does sound as if I am talking through the top of my head.

Green Gaia · Sep 7, 2005

michel said:
I realize that there's no proof, Maize, but as that was my first personal reaction when I first heard abot the hurricane, and I am no expert (my premise was that it was based on it sounding logical), I suppose I tend to think of that as the most likely explanation.

If not that, what wouuld you put it down to ? - I certainly don't believe that it was God's doing.

Hurricanes are not uncommon, even strong ones. The US gets hits with them every year. The intensity and path of the storm is determined by atmospheric and weather conditions. Could global warming have been a factor in it's intensity? Sure. But we just don't know. I don't believe we can blame the hurricane itself on global warming though since we've seen hurricanes for as long as humans have kept records of them.

michel · Sep 7, 2005

Since we all have to have sexual equality, Maize, I changed my mind as you were posting your reply; sorry if I messed up your reply.

Malus 12:9 · Sep 7, 2005

All that aside, to the darkdale person:

Are you suggesting, then, that God made the Earth t "work" natural disasters?
(I'm even slower

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Darkdale · Sep 7, 2005

Renaldo said:
All that aside, to the darkdale person:

Are you suggesting, then, that God made the Earth t "work" natural disasters?
(I'm even slower )

The gods created or (inherited) a working planetary system which either they or the earth regulate. Changes in the system keep the system healthy, but are often dramatic and cost human lives. To the gods, these are not disasters. To us they are. I think we look at these events selfishly, we think they are about us and they are not. They are not even about the gods. They are about earth and climate. Whether it is "nature" or gods (if there is a difference) that cause "natural disasters", it doesn't matter. There is no reason the gods cannot both cause the event and then come and comfort us in their' wake.

michel · Sep 9, 2005

Darkdale said:
The gods created or (inherited) a working planetary system which either they or the earth regulate. Changes in the system keep the system healthy, but are often dramatic and cost human lives. To the gods, these are not disasters. To us they are. I think we look at these events selfishly, we think they are about us and they are not. They are not even about the gods. They are about earth and climate. Whether it is "nature" or gods (if there is a difference) that cause "natural disasters", it doesn't matter. There is no reason the gods cannot both cause the event and then come and comfort us in their' wake.

Darkdale,

Paul, giving a speech on the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (entropy) in Romans 8:18-22, concludes that we humans need to latch on to Someone outside of this Law, before we too become a victim of entropy.

Ardhanariswar · Sep 9, 2005

I agree with darkdale.

Once something bad happens to humans, we dont blame ourselves, rather some all powerful force. I don't think that is fair because we must evalutate our actions. I believe in a nature *God*. but not one who thinks that humans are bad and must be punished, and thus create massive earthquakes and such. But I do believe in a proper balance within nature and the elements. Its this balance, I believe to be the cause of this hurricane disaster. perhaps it was a cumilation of reasons. maybe this was a sign that humans have inflated ego and need more humbling. I mean, proof lies with why people want to rebuild. This hurricane is not from God, you chose to live in such a vulerable place.

maybe not the upper states, but definitly in the new orleans region. with the whole below sea level thing. This disaster was just waiting to happen.

michel · Sep 9, 2005

Gerani1248 said:
Once something bad happens to humans, we dont blame ourselves, rather some all powerful force. I don't think that is fair because we must evalutate our actions. I believe in a nature *God*. but not one who thinks that humans are bad and must be punished, and thus create massive earthquakes and such. But I do believe in a proper balance within nature and the elements. Its this balance, I believe to be the cause of this hurricane disaster. perhaps it was a cumilation of reasons. maybe this was a sign that humans have inflated ego and need more humbling.

Why don't you Hindus just quit sounding so pious and tell us who really sent that hurricane to wipe out New Orleans?

You guys LOVE to show us people doing yoga and other stuff like that on TV commercials; but let a hurricane or earthquake hit, and all of a sudden you're silent on the matter.

I challenge ONE Hindu on this website to be man or woman enough to tell us who really did it (that is, according to your theology).

(And don't tell me you don't know either, because I know better.)

All we Westerners get is your pious yoga and kundalini theology, but you don't tell us the dark side of your theology.

My Bible puts ours right in the storefront window for all to see.

So, please, humor us with who really sent that hurricane, according to your theology.

Feathers in Hair · Sep 9, 2005

Gerani, a good many of the people who lived in the area did not do so because they 'chose' to. They lived there because circumstance drove them to it. These are also the same people that others 'forgot' wouldn't be able to afford transportation elsewhere.

If you wish, AV, you can tell us who you believe really did it. If that creature is supposedly a god, I would not worship them, I would be disgusted with them.

michel · Sep 9, 2005

FeathersinHair said:
If you wish, AV, you can tell us who you believe really did it. If that creature is supposedly a god, I would not worship them, I would be disgusted with them.

I will, Feathers; I promise you, but I want to see if a Hindu will fess up to it first.

I know exactly what Gerani meant by "a proper balance within nature" and why the hurricane was caused by "this balance", and believe me, it's not what you think.

I find these Yin-Yangist to be "suspiciously quiet" too.

Lots of Yang when skies are sunny, but where's their Yin-talk now?

Feathers in Hair · Sep 9, 2005

Please don't tell me what I think. I honestly don't know what you mean by 'Yin-Yangist'. I assume you're referring to those paths which follow the I Ching, though. I don't, but I would imagine that they would say that Yin (the dark, female side of matter) is taking its turn. According to their philosphy, we couldn't have one without the other.

Sunstone · Sep 9, 2005

Given that Hinduism is such a diverse religion, with such a wide range of beliefs, I find it odd that anyone would claim to know of a point of view accepted by all Hindus everywhere. Hinduism is perhaps the most diverse religion in the world.

Jaymes · Sep 9, 2005

Ying-Yangist, what? You referring to me?

The hurricane wasn't any punishment or anything abnormal. It was just nature doing what nature does. Get the right conditions for a hurricane, and voila, you have a hurricane. This one just happened to hit a particularly unstable area. Nobody sent it there anymore than anyone sent the butterfly that landed on me this afternoon to my shoulder.

"I know exactly what Gerani meant by "a proper balance within nature" and why the hurricane was caused by "this balance", and believe me, it's not what you think."

Then enlighten us, please.

michel · Sep 10, 2005

Sunstone said:
Given that Hinduism is such a diverse religion, with such a wide range of beliefs, I find it odd that anyone would claim to know of a point of view accepted by all Hindus everywhere. Hinduism is perhaps the most diverse religion in the world.

Not looking for a "point of view" ... looking for the name of a Hindu "god". You don't have to look very far. You love to chant 'Om' all the time, chant the name of this god who sent this hurricane (if you care to).

michel · Sep 10, 2005

Jensa said:
Ying-Yangist, what? You referring to me?

No, Jensa, I wasn't referring to you (specifically).

The hurricane wasn't any punishment or anything abnormal.

I didn't say it was.

It was just nature doing what nature does. Get the right conditions for a hurricane, and voila, you have a hurricane.

And how did we "get the right conditions for a hurricane" according to Yin/Yang philosophy? --- not meteorologics.

Nobody sent it there anymore than anyone sent the butterfly that landed on me this afternoon to my shoulder.

A true Hindu would disagree with you on this. I'm sure one will chime in and correct you, so I'll let them do it.

AV1611 said:
"I know exactly what Gerani meant by "a proper balance within nature" and why the hurricane was caused by "this balance", and believe me, it's not what you think."

Then enlighten us, please.

Nope, not yet. I want to hear from some Hindus on this, first. I'll give it a couple days.

Feathers in Hair · Sep 10, 2005

Is Sunstone suddenly a Hindu?

And are you referring to Shiva, the Destoyer? Or to his consort, Kali? (Both of whom, while also being 'gods of destruction', tend to examplify the aggressive shedding of ignorance.) Quite honestly, we don't have many Hindus on RF. (Or ones that post regularly, at least.)

Scott is one of our forum members that I hold in great esteem. He once quoted a verse that I think would apply to any religion, but I would hope would especially apply to those following that religion.

2 Timothy 2:24-25 (King James Version)

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Please let's remember about the 'being gentle unto all men' part?

Ori · Sep 10, 2005

FeathersinHair said:
Please let's remember about the 'being gentle unto all men' part?

Not only all men, but every living thing.

michel · Sep 10, 2005

FeathersinHair said:
Is Sunstone suddenly a Hindu?

Huh? I didn't say he/she was.

And are you referring to Shiva, the Destoyer?

Very good.

...Kali? (Both of whom, while also being 'gods of destruction', tend to examplify the aggressive shedding of ignorance.)

Tell THAT to the ones that died in a Tokyo subway in 1996 when Shoko Asahara and his Aum Shinri Kyo sect decided to worship Shiva in supreme truth (aum shinri kyo).

Scott is one of our forum members that I hold in great esteem. He once quoted a verse that I think would apply to any religion, but I would hope would especially apply to those following that religion.

2 Timothy 2:24-25 (King James Version)

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Please let's remember about the 'being gentle unto all men' part?

Good for Scott. I'm one of the gentlest men you'll ever meet. That's why I even brought this up, so as to give the Hindus the chance to venerate their deity. It's too bad a Pagan had to answer a Hindu question after several hours of silence, though.

Darkdale · Sep 10, 2005

AV - do you have a point or a line of reasoning or do you just get off belittling people? If it's the latter, then, please, don't feel clever. We've noticed.

michel · Sep 10, 2005

Darkdale said:
AV - do you have a point or a line of reasoning or do you just get off belittling people? If it's the latter, then, please, don't feel clever. We've noticed.

Well, DD, I think I've made a couple of good points in my last few posts in this thread. If you don't get it by now, let me put it plainly:

I'm sick and fed up with seeing Christianity bashed on this Website. So unless I'm locked out or something (which I'm sure is coming), there's going to be a new boy on the block.

But I'm not going to just lay down blanket cheap shots. I'm going to use logic and your own doctrines against you to expose the darkside of YOUR religions for a change and see how YOU guys like it.

And, of course, I'll respect the rules of the site. I'm just going to start asking specific logical questions designed to make people think about their OWN religion for a change.

It's time for the pendulum to swing the other way for a change.

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