Muhammad, in, the, Bible

Godobeyer · Oct 8, 2010

England my lionheart said:
Do you understand what erotic means? have you read the whole song,if you had you would realise that nothing has been changed,there was no reason to change it.

This conspiracy of things being changed in the Bible to hide the name Muhammed is ludicrous and has shown to be so many times,can you not see that the name Muhammed in the song would be out of context,not only in that particular line but the whole song.

if you defend for the bible i can't believe you , because you don't beleive in it (bible ) ,
if we suppose i am wrong ,and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not mention there , did that make you happy , and if Muhammad (pbuh) is mention there that make you feel angry or upset ?

England my lionheart · Oct 9, 2010

Godobeyer said:
if you defend for the bible i can't believe you , because you don't beleive in it (bible ) ,
if we suppose i am wrong ,and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not mention there , did that make you happy , and if Muhammad (pbuh) is mention there that make you feel angry or upset ?

No it doesn't make me happy that Muhammed isn't mentioned in the Bible,thats just the way it is,if it could be proved that Muhammed was mentioned in the Bible it wouldn't make me angry i would be surprised maybe.

Breathe · Oct 9, 2010

Godobeyer said:
the bible that contains the erotica passage ,we care about

Yes. It does.
Read the Section I gave you.

Unbound Bible dot Com
It has the translation in Arabic.

Read it for yourself, and tell me this is not erotic literature.

Erotic (in Arabic): شبقي (shabaqiy), جنسي (jinsiy), غزلي (ghazaliy), غرامي (gharaamiy), عشقي (3ishqiy), شهواني (shahwaaniy)

Hey, how about I throw you the whole passage of Song of Solomon, chapter 5, in Arabic, from the unboundbible website?

The Bible said:
قد دخلت جنتي يا اختي العروس. قطفت مري مع طيبي. اكلت شهدي مع عسلي. شربت خمري مع لبني. كلوا ايها الاصحاب اشربوا واسكروا ايها الاحباء .1
انا نائمة وقلبي مستيقظ. صوت حبيبي قارعا. افتحي لي يا اختي يا حبيبتي يا حمامتي يا كاملتي لان راسي امتلأ من الطل وقصصي من ندى الليل .2
قد خلعت ثوبي فكيف البسه. قد غسلت رجليّ فكيف اوسخهما. .3
حبيبي مدّ يده من الكوّة فانّت عليه احشائي. .4
قمت لافتح لحبيبي ويداي تقطران مرّا واصابعي مر قاطر على مقبض القفل. .5
فتحت لحبيبي لكن حبيبي تحول وعبر. نفسي خرجت عندما ادبر. طلبته فما وجدته دعوته فما اجابني. .6
وجدني الحرس الطائف في المدينة. ضربوني جرحوني. حفظة الاسوار رفعوا ازاري عني. .7
احلفكنّ يا بنات اورشليم ان وجدتنّ حبيبي ان تخبرنه باني مريضة حبا .8
ما حبيبك من حبيب ايتها الجميلة بين النساء ما حبيبك من حبيب حتى تحلفينا هكذا .9
حبيبي ابيض واحمر. معلم بين ربوة. .10
راسه ذهب ابريز. قصصه مسترسلة حالكة كالغراب. .11
عيناه كالحمام على مجاري المياه مغسولتان باللبن جالستان في وقبيهما. .12
خداه كخميلة الطيب واتلام رياحين ذكية. شفتاه سوسن تقطران مرا مائعا. .13
يداه حلقتان من ذهب مرصعتان بالزبرجد. بطنه عاج ابيض مغلف بالياقوت الازرق. .14
ساقاه عمودا رخام مؤسسان على قاعدتين من ابريز. طلعته كلبنان. فتى كالارز. .15
16. حلقه حلاوة وكله مشتهيات. هذا حبيبي وهذا خليلي يا بنات اورشليم

Source: Song of Solomon chapter 5, Arabic Smith & Van Dyke Translation, from UnboundBible.com. Emphasis mine.

I hope this helps, and NOW you can see what sort of literature in the chapter of the Bible you provided you claim Muhammad is prophesied in (verse in green) and we can put this pointless, illogical claim away once and for all.

Godobeyer · Oct 9, 2010

Odion said:
Yes. It does.
Read the Section I gave you.

Unbound Bible dot Com
It has the translation in Arabic.

Read it for yourself, and tell me this is not erotic literature.

Erotic (in Arabic): شبقي (shabaqiy), جنسي (jinsiy), غزلي (ghazaliy), غرامي (gharaamiy), عشقي (3ishqiy), شهواني (shahwaaniy)

Hey, how about I throw you the whole passage of Song of Solomon, chapter 5, in Arabic, from the unboundbible website?

I hope this helps, and NOW you can see what sort of literature in the chapter of the Bible you provided you claim Muhammad is prophesied in (verse in green) and we can put this pointless, illogical claim away once and for all.

I told you that the meaning was modified , but the spelling is the same (exactly as with arabic)
- i ask you this question , but i don't know why it's not appear here
-do you believe in Bible ? and it contains that it's from God ?

atanu · Oct 9, 2010

Godobeyer said:
I told you that the meaning was modified , but the spelling is the same (exactly as with arabic)
- i ask you this question , but i don't know why it's not appear here
-do you believe in Bible ? and it contains that it's from God ?

Hello Godobeyer

Allow me to put a counter: Do you believe in Quran and that it contains word from God? If so, then why you need to prove that Muhammad is mentioned in Bible?

Om Shanti

Godobeyer · Oct 9, 2010

atanu said:
Hello Godobeyer

Allow me to put a counter: Do you believe in Quran and that it contains word from God? If so, then why you need to prove that Muhammad is mentioned in Bible?

Om Shanti

you don't need to ask , because the answer is very evidence , the Quran believed by Muslim, and Bible believed by the Jews and Christians , God told us that the jews modified the Bible , and this what we got , the spelling correct (Muhammad) but the meaning is not (altogether beloved)

atanu · Oct 10, 2010

Godobeyer said:
you don't need to ask , because the answer is very evidence , the Quran believed by Muslim, and Bible believed by the Jews and Christians , God told us that the jews modified the Bible , and this what we got , the spelling correct (Muhammad) but the meaning is not (altogether beloved)

:yes:

Did God tell you why even followers of same Quran got divided and murdered each other? Yes, the answer is evident both in life and in Quran -- and in all scriptures. That the one word of one God will not be understood equally and similarly by all is a general natural fact. Differences are bound to arise as long as individual ego (satan) persists to not submit. Even followers of same Quran are divided and cut throats of other fellows. Is it a mistake of oneself or is the defect in others? What Quran says about it?

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Regarding the OP, I can grant that since Muhammad is also spoken as Mukhammad, as Maxamed, as Mamadou and as Makhambet in different cultures, the Song of Solomon might indeed be speaking of Muhanmmad. But is it speaking of a two legged person or is it speaking of the quality of 'all Praiseworthy', or 'Taintless', or 'Most Beloved', or 'altogether beloved' -- all attributes of divine word and spirit, which is timeless?

Moreover, how does it eventually matter? Rig Veda speaks of 'yahva' 19 times or more. Does knowing that make me any better or is the goal something else?

Love
Om Shanti

Bowman · Oct 10, 2010

Godobeyer said:
you don't need to ask , because the answer is very evidence , the Quran believed by Muslim, and Bible believed by the Jews and Christians , God told us that the jews modified the Bible , and this what we got , the spelling correct (Muhammad) but the meaning is not (altogether beloved)

Nope.

No where in the entirety of the Koran does it state that the written Holy Bible was altered.

Not once.

In fact, the Koran was never divinely inspired, according to itself.

No one named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with its contents, according to the Koran.

All of this is merely an islamic invention.

England my lionheart · Oct 11, 2010

Godobeyer said:
you don't need to ask , because the answer is very evidence , the Quran believed by Muslim, and Bible believed by the Jews and Christians , God told us that the jews modified the Bible , and this what we got , the spelling correct (Muhammad) but the meaning is not (altogether beloved)

The answer is very evident if you consider that the other times Macnmad is mentioned you will see that Machmad was destroyed (2 Chron. 36:19), was to be laid waste (Isa. 64:10-11), has been taken captive by an enemy (Lam. 1:10), has been traded for food (Lam. 1:11), has been slain by God (Lam. 2:4; Hos. 9:16), has been removed by God (Ezek. 24:16), is to be profaned by God (Ezek. 24:21), is to be buried in nettles (Hos. 9:6) and been carried away by pagans into their temples (Joel 3:5).
So its pretty clear Muhammed is none of these just as its clear he isn't in the song of songs.

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